legb4rsk

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics

The Government hate us having freedom to use the internet.It is the last bastion of individual freedom to instigate any anti-control discussion & spread information as we see fit.

You have been warned..................many,many times.

alcazar

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But what can we DO about their new powers?

hodgy0_2

Yes, very worrying tbh

Imagine if they required each person to log all the internet sites they visited each week, on a spreadsheet every Sunday night and then send it to them

There would be an outcry

legb4rsk

Join this?

http://http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-...ondon-34721165

Not ideal but can you imagine any other 'free democracy' putting up with it?

legb4rsk

Fear = Control.

If they get away with it they will make a few examples of innocent people stating that they need to be vigilant & rigorous in preventing terrorism & crime.

They will investigate them & make their lives very uncomfortable then realease them therefore putting doubt & fear into the minds of the general public making them much more circumspect about how they use or contribute to the Web.

Subtle & effective.

The Pink Ninja

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So a VPN and TOR is gonna become a lot more popular for the paranoid now then, lol.

hodgy0_2

It's got nothing to do with paranoia though

I simply object to having to list the website visit

Norman Dog

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Totally stupid and pointless,as if the average terrorist isn't I.T savvy enough to use TOR, VPN, PGP etc.

There are enough ways around it if you've really got something to hide.

DYK

Its all part of the master plan ..

boomer

You might want to tweak your link to www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34721165 (for some reason the HTTP bit is getting forced?) ...to stop the spooks tracking you

Cheers,

mb

jonc

Here's the real reason hidden amongst all the pointless measures in the bill:

"The Wilson doctrine - preventing surveillance of Parliamentarians' communications - to be written into law"

Basically it will be law that no one can snoop on MPs. The rest is ineffectual since if MPs and their advisors knew anything about IT, all of this can be easily circumvented with encrypted VPNs and proxies hosted in countries outside of the UK.

markjmd

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People seem to forget that in the days before the Internet, the government already had the power and ability to listen in on any and every phone call anyone made. Not only that, but for calls originating or terminating anywhere outside the country, they didn't even need probable cause to do it. Strangely though, I don't remember anyone kicking up much of a fuss about it back then.

hodgy0_2

That may or may not be true

But we are talking about browsing history

I don't remember having to list the books, magazines or newspapers I read, the films or television programs I watched

ALi-B

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Agreed, this will only catch out the stupid and lower/lesser initiated dregs of society if they are up to illegal activities.

So this'll just catch the minor offenders, rather than the serious and well organised.

Although saying that...it seems they caught the kids who hacked talk talk....I'm sure the average teenage hacker knows how to cover their tracks, yet they've been caught...or was it just some innocent kid whose PC was being used as a drone

S204Darren

Create a boggy man scare everyone and then control the frightened by fear. It's the oldest trick in the book and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it. If the west had left the Middle East alone the west would be a safer place. If they had left well alone there would not be a Syria crisis for a start and Europe wouldn't be flooded with un welcome people.

Martin2005

I'm pretty sure that no one is interested in your browsing history Hodgy

I have my concerns about this too, but in the digital age should we expect our intelligence services to operate blind? Why give the bad guys an advantage?

Martin2005

OMG Jonc you've had your account hacked by STIpete

tarmac terror

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If you are interested in this stuff, have a read at "DRIPA 2014" (data retention investigatory powers act).

These amendments were rushed through from first reading to ascent in just 4 days in July 2014.

I think from memory this is due for repeal at the end of 2016 - watch with interest what will be rolled out as its replacement.

hodgy0_2

Great, then why am I required to provide it

I regard these freedoms as innate (the freedom not to have what I am reading logged by the state) - and not simply subject to what arbitery "age" we are living in

Just because they can - does not mean they should

It is "lazy" it is "easy" - I can understand why they want to do it, because they are lazy and it is easy

But in life the "easy" way is pretty much always the wrong way

markjmd

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I think you've got the wrong end of the stick here slightly. It's ISPs who will have to keep logs of your browsing history for a certain number months. You, as the actual consumer of that digital information, won't be required to do any such thing.

hodgy0_2

No, I don't think I am

I quite deliberately used those words

Saying it is the ISP, is simply symantics

I have no opt out

Saying it is the ISP is simply confusing the "method of logging" with the actual end result

Philosophical I make no distinction between having to fill out a spreadsheet of my internet activity (domains visited/time etc)

And having the convenience of the ISP doing it for me

The result is the same - and it is the result I am worried about - and think is wrong

andy97

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Do your research and for a few quid a year you can use a decent VPN provider with world access points. You can even watch the likes of BBC iplayer from abroad by changing to UK vpn server access point

Tidgy

So if you use the hidden mode of browsers can they see whats what?

andy97

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I am not that technical(more than an iphone user though-dig ), the connection from your device through wifi(whether it be home or free wifi points) is encrypted upto their server, where ever it maybe connected in the world. Different ip address and all that. So your ISP will record encrypted data, that is it. If you have an full encrypted mobile phone, then there will be further protection from snooping authorities.

Do a search for VPN providers. Be prepared to pay, but its so little to have multiple devices connected safely to the internet

hodgy0_2

You shouldn't have use vpn technology
Its not a technology issue

It is about fundamental privacy and freedom rights

andy97

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I agree, but until it is written into law, or case law settles what a governemt can do or not do then it would be wise to protect your browsing history. Also when out in the open and using free wifi points like starbucks, macdonalds airport wifi, people can snoop on you.

Tidgy

you guys seen the program ross kemp extreme worlds about the biker gangs in australia and the laws that have been introduced. you can get 6 months for even being seen talking to two or more members with criminal records, even if your just talking about the weather

jonc

It does sound a bit conspiritarded! But this one is in black and white.

I'm with Hodgy on this one. I'm not worried about what communication data of mine might be held, but more against the principle that such data should be held at all. It's an erosion of our civil liberties and is likely to open doors for further legislation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015...n_8472306.html

andy97

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Incognito mode on the browser does very little to shield you. Your isp still records your history, the history isn't kept on your device, that's all

mrtheedge2u2

if you visited 5 websites in standard mode e.g. bbc.co.uk, yahoo.com, ebay.com, abc.com and scoobynet.com then the ISP would keep a record that you visited those site. Ok, fine.

if you opened TOR and then visited those 5 sites what information would the ISPs receive and be able to store?