Wurzel

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http://news.sky.com/story/1544719/lo...afety-measures

Turbohot

Hm.

I think it's a good thing.

kevo10

Anything that makes road travel.or any travel, safer,is a good thing.But, it has to be said , that unless everyone takes an active part in doing so, its a waste of time. Headlines like this makes it look like its all the fault of the drivers ,whether cars or lorries, and we all know thats not the case. The way cyclists behave on the road is indicative of the way people in general behave on the road

Turbohot

Oh, definitely. Although this thread is re. cyclists and lorry drivers' interpersonal stuff, same thing can be said about the motor bikers, horse riders, joggers, pedestrians and even mobility scooters in relation to others on the road/path etc. Might is not always wrong, it can be right, sometimes.

SwissTony

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let them see how it looks from the other side

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34115046

alcazar

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Interesting this morning to see a young woman cyclist in the cab of a lorry, being asked if she could see the cyclist?
They then opened the door and there he was, yet EIGHT FEET out from the lorry!!!!

To say she was shocked would be an understatement.

PaulC72

it'll take both cyclists and drivers to make it a safer environment for everyone, however while we still have both idiot drivers and cyclists in control of relevant equipment the problems will still remain.

kevo10

All in all, standards of behaviour ,by many, has declined , as in all aspects of life

Wurzel

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It appears I was wrong

SJ_Skyline

Standards round here are slipping, I blame the mods.

Tidgy

making things safer isnt a bad thing, but cyclists need to realise they are going to come off worst in the event of an accident and not act like they rule the road. Not all do, but some of hte stuff you see its no wonder alot are hurt

jonc

I think a high proportion of injuries/death could be prevented by banning cyclists from going down the inside and undertaking slow moving or stationary vehicles.

wrx300scooby

I agree but the new rules are also a great idea. A combination of the two would make things a lot safer.

hodgy0_2

Force cyclist to add two extra sets of wheels, and have it encased in a metal shell

Change the steering method from "handle bars" to a "steering wheel"

Job done

Or ban lorries from London during the day

andy97

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90% of deaths and serious accidents of cyclists is caused by less than 5% of the total traffic. That being lorries. Banning lorries from London will have a huge impact on safety for the good

ALi-B

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Anyone seen the chrome rails attached the wheel on HGVs and Buses in mainland Europe? Don't think I've seen any in the UK yet.

Not sure what they actually do apart from prevent a cyclist/moped undertaking (for very good reason)

GWJ

Perhaps something like this?

lozgti1

lol

Rescue Dude

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http://www.rospa.com/road-safety/adv...facts-figures/

andy97

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I was referring to London stats this year
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...on-of-cyclists

Over a 4 year period in London they accounted for 53% of cycle deaths, despite only making up 4% of London traffic. http://road.cc/content/news/109860-b...s-london-roads

Lorries are extremely dangerous in crowded cities for vulnerable road users. They need banning and highly modifying with multiple safety enhancements before being allowed near London streets

jonc

The figure of 53% was between 2008 and 2012, not this year and where did you get your figures for "90% of deaths caused by less than 5% of total traffic"? So you could argue that over 95% of total traffic get around without causing any deaths, ie these stats are pointless and meaningless.

andy97

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Obviously there not pointless to those that died or were severely injured or the London authorities who are implementing these first step changes.

When the figures come in about reduced deaths, there will a big roll out across all heavy goods vehicles in the UK.

neil-h

If a lot of the videos you see of near misses are anything to go by, it's 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other. Hazard awareness certainly seems to play a big part either that or cyclists like riding into gaps that are clearly going to close out on them.

Thinking about it I witnessed a very near miss on the way to Silverstone this year between a cyclist and a bus. The cyclist for some reason decided it was a bright idea to try and filter between said moving bus and the curb. The bus weaved in it's lane slightly and in the end forced the cyclist onto the pavement.

Two things could've prevented that incident, better spacial awareness from the bus driver and/or better hazard awareness from the cyclist.

hodgy0_2

in 2015 there have been 8 deaths of cyclists

"So far eight people have died on the roads, six of whom have been female. Seven of the deaths involved collisions with HGVs. Here are the details:"

Read more at: http://www.london24.com/news/cycling...2015_1_3964719
Copyright © LONDON24





it would be interesting to see the stats of other big cities

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-33224901

dpb

Stunningly good figures , relative to the risks cyclists take (judging by YouTube vide anyway)

ALi-B

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I'd like to see those stats stacked aginast other road deaths; i.e pedestrians, motorbikes, cars etc.

jonc

Those "stats" do nothing to support your point of view, whilst any loss of life is tragic, it also shows that only a tiny proportion of total traffic is responsible for what is small number of fatalities, given the number of users there are on roads. Of course one death is one death too many, however, the number pedestrian fatalities is higher still, so maybe we should start with that, no?

hodgy0_2

https://www.london.gov.uk/media/asse...69-cyclists-14

It does not break down how the pedestrians were killed though, I would suspect the majority cars

This has better detail

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...01800829,d.d24

And these have good comparisons

https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publica...ts/road-safety

kevo10

It does make me wonder , sometimes , how some cyclists and pedestrians , manage to live so long with some of the antics they perform. Yes, its everyones responsibility to keep safe and not cause injury to others , but since theyre the most vulnerable of users , it seems that they have no consideration of their actions and we see this all to often. This isnt a moan about cyclists as ive competed in time trials , albeit a few years ago now. But at least back then , i used to look over my shoulders to check for traffic. These days , nothing. No checking , no hand signals , and, most stupid of all,the wearing of headphones. Going through red lights , even by professional cyclists , seems to be the norm,It also appears that the wearing of cams has taken the place of simple road safety .Pedestrians are very much the same. They cross the roads where it seems the most annoyance can be caused . Cross roads without checking and wearing headphones. I have nowt against those, but people cant just put them on and expect the whole traffic community to make allowances. As i posted earlier, the standards of every , or most , road users has declined over the last few years as they have in all aspects of life

ALi-B

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When driving; How many time has a pedestrian wearing headphones obliviously strayed into your path (stepped off footpath without looking), where the only thing that prevented them getting hurt was evasive action by you, the driver. And had you not done anything, they'd not even know what hit them!

Weekly occurance for me; mainly joggers with head phones. Also kids texting.