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29 June 2015, 09:45 AM
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Which bit are we complaining about? That they are eating dog or the way in which the dogs are treated?
Can't really call them for eating dog, just because it's cute and friendly, So is a lamb.
I do think it's a shame the way they are treated. Does seem rather tight.
Can't really call them for eating dog, just because it's cute and friendly, So is a lamb.
I do think it's a shame the way they are treated. Does seem rather tight.
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29 June 2015, 09:51 AM
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All nations' races and cultures have their faults. Nowhere is perfect. If the faults is all what we look at, and build our opinions on, then we are stereotyping and quite blatantly, race prejudiced.
I can't see why we can't look at the positive and progressive side of the nation i.e. so many Chinese campaigners trying to stop it as well e.g. the BBC journalist/campaigner who highlights this cruelty by writing that article, and other Chinese folk that are posing with their lovely dogs in the same article. To those compassionate guys and girls: well done, and good luck with your campaign to stop this cruelty.
29 June 2015, 10:25 AM
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Yep, it is a tad hypocritical, differentiation between the animal from a cultural perspective is neither here nor there, meat is meat, at the end of the day an animal died to provide it.
One could suggest that it's cruel to eat vegetables as they are also living things, just yesterday I was digging up potatoes, onions, beetroot, carrots and garlic, I'm sure they would have preferred to stay in the ground and complete their life cycle.
It's a strange world we live in, everything is intertwined and everything feeds off something that was once living, even if you eat dirt there are micro organisms alive inside of it, much the same as the air we breath and water we drink, there's no getting away from it, Take solace in the fact that when you die , you'll become part of the food chain and give back what you took out during life.
One could suggest that it's cruel to eat vegetables as they are also living things, just yesterday I was digging up potatoes, onions, beetroot, carrots and garlic, I'm sure they would have preferred to stay in the ground and complete their life cycle.
It's a strange world we live in, everything is intertwined and everything feeds off something that was once living, even if you eat dirt there are micro organisms alive inside of it, much the same as the air we breath and water we drink, there's no getting away from it, Take solace in the fact that when you die , you'll become part of the food chain and give back what you took out during life.
29 June 2015, 10:47 AM
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This. ^
All nations' races and cultures have their faults. Nowhere is perfect. If the faults is all what we look at, and build our opinions on, then we are stereotyping and quite blatantly, race prejudiced.
I can't see why we can't look at the positive and progressive side of the nation i.e. so many Chinese campaigners trying to stop it as well e.g. the BBC journalist/campaigner who highlights this cruelty by writing that article, and other Chinese folk that are posing with their lovely dogs in the same article. To those compassionate guys and girls: well done, and good luck with your campaign to stop this cruelty.
All nations' races and cultures have their faults. Nowhere is perfect. If the faults is all what we look at, and build our opinions on, then we are stereotyping and quite blatantly, race prejudiced.
I can't see why we can't look at the positive and progressive side of the nation i.e. so many Chinese campaigners trying to stop it as well e.g. the BBC journalist/campaigner who highlights this cruelty by writing that article, and other Chinese folk that are posing with their lovely dogs in the same article. To those compassionate guys and girls: well done, and good luck with your campaign to stop this cruelty.
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Yep, it is a tad hypocritical, differentiation between the animal from a cultural perspective is neither here nor there, meat is meat, at the end of the day an animal died to provide it.
One could suggest that it's cruel to eat vegetables as they are also living things, just yesterday I was digging up potatoes, onions, beetroot, carrots and garlic, I'm sure they would have preferred to stay in the ground and complete their life cycle.
It's a strange world we live in, everything is intertwined and everything feeds off something that was once living, even if you eat dirt there are micro organisms alive inside of it, much the same as the air we breath and water we drink, there's no getting away from it, Take solace in the fact that when you die , you'll become part of the food chain and give back what you took out during life.
One could suggest that it's cruel to eat vegetables as they are also living things, just yesterday I was digging up potatoes, onions, beetroot, carrots and garlic, I'm sure they would have preferred to stay in the ground and complete their life cycle.
It's a strange world we live in, everything is intertwined and everything feeds off something that was once living, even if you eat dirt there are micro organisms alive inside of it, much the same as the air we breath and water we drink, there's no getting away from it, Take solace in the fact that when you die , you'll become part of the food chain and give back what you took out during life.
29 June 2015, 11:05 AM
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Well, such people need to change their attitude or they will remain bitter and unhappy forever. May be being bitter/unhappy makes them tick, and so be it. Not my style. Does my head in.
29 June 2015, 11:26 AM
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I read the article this morning before seeing it here and thought how terrible for her as a child. However I also could see the situation from her parents point of view in that the big point was that having the dog was not legal and could have got them in trouble with the authorities for being a public health risk as there was no access to vets or any sort of medication for keeping pets in good health - you only have to think fleas and worm treatments as well as annual vaccinations we take for granted with our dogs in the West.
Who would fancy being in trouble with the authorities in China knowing their history on lack of human rights? I wouldn't fancy it. So where meat is hard to come by/too expensive do they release the dog on the streets risking it being traced back to them or do they protect themselves by killing it and eating it?
What I object to with the dog meat fayre in China is not so much they eat dogs but the conditions in which the dogs are kept in and the methods by which they are obtained and slaughtered. Take cruelty out of the equation along with stealing family pets and then there is much less of an argument against it.
Who would fancy being in trouble with the authorities in China knowing their history on lack of human rights? I wouldn't fancy it. So where meat is hard to come by/too expensive do they release the dog on the streets risking it being traced back to them or do they protect themselves by killing it and eating it?
What I object to with the dog meat fayre in China is not so much they eat dogs but the conditions in which the dogs are kept in and the methods by which they are obtained and slaughtered. Take cruelty out of the equation along with stealing family pets and then there is much less of an argument against it.
29 June 2015, 11:36 AM
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Humans, particularly westerners, have a relationship with the dog that has evolved in a unique way so that people benefit tremendously from dogs that guide, guard, assist people with disabilities, help catch criminals and sniff out harmful substances. They also provide companionship and to many are part of the family. The idea that this is equivalent too or comparable with our relationship with a chicken or a fish is absurd. We do not have guide cods for the blind or sniffer *****.
29 June 2015, 11:43 AM
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Just to clarify I was making the point not about the fact that dogs are eaten, but that someone would allow their child a pet,then kill it and hang it up by its back legs in full view of said child before serving it up for dinner.
The West is a cesspit of hypocrisy for sure, but I doubt many Western farmers allow their kid to bond with a calf and then slaughter it and hang it up outside their bedroom before they cook it up for evening meal
Let's not even get on to what these scum do with tigers and bears
The West is a cesspit of hypocrisy for sure, but I doubt many Western farmers allow their kid to bond with a calf and then slaughter it and hang it up outside their bedroom before they cook it up for evening meal
Let's not even get on to what these scum do with tigers and bears
29 June 2015, 11:48 AM
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Well if you are looking at using animals as a function in assisting humans, then you have a point. But people do keep fish and chicken as pets as well as other farm yard type animals and many other types of other creatures all over the world. At the same time many westerners who have travelled to those far flung places have chosen to eat those animals that westerners hold so dear just for the experience.
Indeed. Many years back whilst visiting Canada I enjoyed eating beaver.
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This. ^
All nations' races and cultures have their faults. Nowhere is perfect. If the faults is all what we look at, and build our opinions on, then we are stereotyping and quite blatantly, race prejudiced.
I can't see why we can't look at the positive and progressive side of the nation i.e. so many Chinese campaigners trying to stop it as well e.g. the BBC journalist/campaigner who highlights this cruelty by writing that article, and other Chinese folk that are posing with their lovely dogs in the same article. To those compassionate guys and girls: well done, and good luck with your campaign to stop this cruelty.
All nations' races and cultures have their faults. Nowhere is perfect. If the faults is all what we look at, and build our opinions on, then we are stereotyping and quite blatantly, race prejudiced.
I can't see why we can't look at the positive and progressive side of the nation i.e. so many Chinese campaigners trying to stop it as well e.g. the BBC journalist/campaigner who highlights this cruelty by writing that article, and other Chinese folk that are posing with their lovely dogs in the same article. To those compassionate guys and girls: well done, and good luck with your campaign to stop this cruelty.
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Well if you are looking at using animals as a function in assisting humans, then you have a point. But people do keep fish and chicken as pets as well as other farm yard type animals and many other types of other creatures all over the world. At the same time many westerners who have travelled to those far flung places have chosen to eat those animals that westerners hold so dear just for the experience.
29 June 2015, 12:00 PM
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Because the positive and progressive side of the nation is all we are supposed to see. The flagrant disregard for human and animal rights that occurs on a daily basis in China is deliberately obfuscated by the Chinese authorities and the Western media/governments so we can keep doing business with them!
HTH
HTH
There's plenty on the media to highlight such cruelty in that nation. The article you posted itself is an evidence of that. There are millions of YouTube vids floating about on the internet, on this sort of thing in China.
Fixation with defaming China/Chinese race by highlighting its negatives here on this forum is not any different to some people defaming Islamic countries/Muslims repeatedly here. Stereotyping in its worst.
HTH.
29 June 2015, 12:04 PM
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Humans, particularly westerners, have a relationship with the dog that has evolved in a unique way so that people benefit tremendously from dogs that guide, guard, assist people with disabilities, help catch criminals and sniff out harmful substances. They also provide companionship and to many are part of the family. The idea that this is equivalent too or comparable with our relationship with a chicken or a fish is absurd. We do not have guide cods for the blind or sniffer *****.
Friend of mine recently killed his pet pot bellied pig, was like one of the family and had a name too, didn't stop him from turning it in to sausages and prosciutto though, some people use pigs to hunt truffles too, yet I doubt any of that would stop you eating a bacon sandwich if you were hungry.
29 June 2015, 12:18 PM
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Untrue.
There's plenty on the media to highlight such cruelty in that nation. The article you posted itself is an evidence of that. There are millions of YouTube vids floating about on the internet, on this sort of thing in China.
Fixation with defaming China/Chinese race by highlighting its negatives here on this forum is not any different to some people defaming Islamic countries/Muslims repeatedly here. Stereotyping in its worst.
HTH.
There's plenty on the media to highlight such cruelty in that nation. The article you posted itself is an evidence of that. There are millions of YouTube vids floating about on the internet, on this sort of thing in China.
Fixation with defaming China/Chinese race by highlighting its negatives here on this forum is not any different to some people defaming Islamic countries/Muslims repeatedly here. Stereotyping in its worst.
HTH.
29 June 2015, 12:20 PM
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Friend of mine recently killed his pet pot bellied pig, was like one of the family and had a name too, didn't stop him from turning it in to sausages and prosciutto though, some people use pigs to hunt truffles too, yet I doubt any of that would stop you eating a bacon sandwich if you were hungry.
29 June 2015, 12:26 PM
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Friend of mine recently killed his pet pot bellied pig, was like one of the family and had a name too, didn't stop him from turning it in to sausages and prosciutto though, some people use pigs to hunt truffles too, yet I doubt any of that would stop you eating a bacon sandwich if you were hungry.
If you had to kill either an earthworm or an orca whale, what would you choose and why?
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29 June 2015, 01:28 PM
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Untrue.
There's plenty on the media to highlight such cruelty in that nation. The article you posted itself is an evidence of that. There are millions of YouTube vids floating about on the internet, on this sort of thing in China.
Fixation with defaming China/Chinese race by highlighting its negatives here on this forum is not any different to some people defaming Islamic countries/Muslims repeatedly here. Stereotyping in its worst.
HTH.
There's plenty on the media to highlight such cruelty in that nation. The article you posted itself is an evidence of that. There are millions of YouTube vids floating about on the internet, on this sort of thing in China.
Fixation with defaming China/Chinese race by highlighting its negatives here on this forum is not any different to some people defaming Islamic countries/Muslims repeatedly here. Stereotyping in its worst.
HTH.