Tidgy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-33301540

Apparently we are 'arrogant' and 'borderuing on stupidity' for refusing to negotiate for the islands,,,,,,

think a 99% vote to stay with uk pretty much answered that one

S204Darren

I can see this going wrong again soon but if they go after a Yankie company the **** will hit the fan... Big time

The Dogs B******s

F***ing idiots

andy97

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It is just world stage rhetoric and propaganda. No oil companies have money, assets or equipment in Argentina. It is irrelevant what they say or do, Argentina cannot enforce any judgement

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Hmmmmmmmmm, I SEEM to remember the government saying much the same last time, then being caught napping.

We shall see.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

To be frank we should just give them back and stop being so ******* pompous about it!

andy97

iTrader: (1)

Do you think the Argentinian people will want their @rses kicking again, I very much doubt it. Besides they are financially bust, couldn't afford to do it. All this shouting from the government and judiciary is a rouse to divert the peoples attention from fact that pretty much all of their economy is/has gone down the pan.

Tidgy

rather a tad different now, argentina hasn't really modernised it's military in recent decades, where s the UK has, alhtough reduced in number. Type 45's are considered the best air defence platforms afloat, with Argentina reliant on air craft and them being 30 years old they will be pretty easy pickings for the 45's.

The is struggling to even fully maintain their ships, let alone upgrade or be ready for combat.

Simply put Argentina is in a worse position than it was in the 80's in a financial and military sence.

Other issue is new aircraft carriers we have, once they come properly online any possible chance of Arengtina takign the falklands by force will vanish

andy97

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On the war fighting front, its completely different now. Arms length so to speak, kids(young folk) in front of video consoles flying, launching drones and guided missiles from hundreds of miles away. Doesn't the Falklands have a very comprehensive missile defense system now?

Tidgy

Has been updated, but theres also £280mill being thrown at it over the next 10 years.

I see argentina are trying to doa deal to lease 12 fighters from russia, SU-24's so again old tech, also means argentina will break the sanctions against russia, not sure they would risk doing that.

interesting snippet though,

'Opponents of her rule also point out that Falklands discourse is a useful distraction from the continuing controversy over the death of Alberto Nisman, the prosecutor who accused Ms Kirchner of collusion to cover up a terrorist attack.'

kevo10

Im with F1 on this. Just give the damn islands back. Ok . theres a British population there, but Its miles away from the uk and , in all intents and purposes, the Empire gone

Tidgy

given 99% of falklanders voted to stay part of the uk, how would you feel if you were sent packing?

kevo10

Would you feel the same if one of our islands were inhabitedby anybody ther than UK citizens?

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

Except that isn't the case here.

Tidgy

Falklands has been part of the UK since 1822, It was first found uninhabited by a British captain.

So nigh on 200 years, so for what 4 or 5 generations it has been UK.

If there was an island like that in British waters, i hope we would retain the sov of who ever the islanders would want to be associated with.

kevo10

Is it in British waters then?

Tidgy

Technicly yes lol

kevo10

Ok , fair enough lol

Tidgy

The waters around the island will belong to whoever holds the land.

f1_fan

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Yep, but we have different rights to the rest of the world!

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

I take it you're all for the idea of Argentina itself being given back to the indigenous population which inhabited it before it was colonized by Spain then, in that case? Or do they get a free pass on that kind of thing?

andy97

iTrader: (1)

Think of it this way,

Who owns the Hawaiian islands?

Who owns the Canary islands?

Are they near their home country?

jonc

Of which you are going to benefit from in the not too distant future!!

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

Well, to be fair, they are a damn sight closer to their homeland than the Falklands is!

alcazar

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The citizens of the Falklands were asked in a referendum if they wanted to remain British, or live under Argie rule.
They voted 95% to sat British.

What's to argue about?

Hardly matters WHAT Argentina OR the UK want, does it?

Tidgy

wrong mate,

99.8% actualy

The Dogs B******s

F*** Off give it back. We've given everything else away, let's keep something we fought for and as others have said approx 99% voted to leave it as it is.

daveyj

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If wrong I'll happily accept it but my view has always been we've clung to Sovereignty there partly for military purposes and more so because of drilling "rights" to oil, etc which will no doubt come to fruition at some point. Other than that I can't think why we've been so protective of them given how far away they are from the "Motherland". I'm sure there is more to it than my simplistic and cynical view and I'm sure I'll change my stance if educated to the better.

Given the vote for sovereignty it would be pretty difficult to simply give them over unless there was a real world danger of all of those inhabitants being wiped out in the name of "getting by" for a country trying to compete on a world stage.

If, as it's suggested at our end, the Islands were uninhabited and we planted a flag (interesting rule if you think about it) then that's that I guess. If, however, some factual evidence arises that we've been dastardly (can't let that word die out) then I can perhaps sympathise a bit more with the Argies gripes. In an ideal world it'd be nice to find some common ground that could forge a good, prosperous, long term relationship with the Argentinian government......after all, we're technically neighbours and good friends appear hard to find! Collaboration is the way forward.

lozgti1

It's always looked a bit of a grim place to me!

ditchmyster

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Well it's been British for the best part of 200yrs and it's 450miles off the coast of Argentina, so hardly the Isle of white, it's a bit like the UK trying to lay claim to Norway.

At the end of the day it should be left to those that live there to decide who they want as their sovereign state, since they already did that, I don't get what the Argies are bleating about, ancient history in my book, it's not like we went there and expelled the indigenous population, as mentioned above, which is how the present day population came into existence in Argentina.

Double standards.