Unbelievable:MORE bad luck: Update.
31 March 2015, 07:27 PM
#1
Unbelievable:MORE bad luck: Update.
Over in France, car going into a garage tomorrow, refuses to pull, loads of black smoke on pressing the throttle hard. Looks like turbo.
Astra CDTi SRi 150.
If I wrote this as a story, folk would say it was silly, no-one can be so unlucky.
Astra CDTi SRi 150.
If I wrote this as a story, folk would say it was silly, no-one can be so unlucky.
Last edited by alcazar; 03 April 2015 at 11:00 AM.
01 April 2015, 11:42 AM
#5
I've no idea what a swirl flap bar is?
The garage have got it, they think it might be exhaust blocked?
But how?
And why does it sometimes pull if I can get it above 3000rpm?
OK, Googled it, looks damned expensive.
That's what it will be, then.
The garage have got it, they think it might be exhaust blocked?
But how?
And why does it sometimes pull if I can get it above 3000rpm?
OK, Googled it, looks damned expensive.
That's what it will be, then.
Last edited by alcazar; 01 April 2015 at 11:47 AM.
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01 April 2015, 01:24 PM
#8
That'll have the Fiat JTD engine, fitted. (sorry, I just like pointing out cars that have other maker's engines fitted 
).
Plenty of fun finding issues on them. Dodgy manifold flaps, boost leaks,collapsing hoses and EGR being the usual issues.
Turbo vanes can stick, giving massive turbo lag. But you usually don't get smoke.
Blocked echaust can occur with a DPF.
On rare occasions on cars without DPF the catalyst can shatter and cause a blockage, rare though.
).Plenty of fun finding issues on them. Dodgy manifold flaps, boost leaks,collapsing hoses and EGR being the usual issues.
Turbo vanes can stick, giving massive turbo lag. But you usually don't get smoke.
Blocked echaust can occur with a DPF.
On rare occasions on cars without DPF the catalyst can shatter and cause a blockage, rare though.
Last edited by ALi-B; 01 April 2015 at 01:28 PM.
01 April 2015, 02:42 PM
#12
Awaiting me going to pick it up at 5pm French time.
EGR wasn't stuck, it moved perfectly while being cleaned out.
Pick the most expensive fault....that'll be it
Last edited by alcazar; 01 April 2015 at 02:44 PM.
01 April 2015, 09:00 PM
#18
Glad we're all finding this amusing
Seriously, no luck isolating the problem today, we know the rod for the swirl chambers is operating properly, the egr isn't coked up and the exhaust is free.
We DON'T know if the solenoid for the egr is working.
Tomorrow the car is going to an Opel dealership about 30 miles away on a truck, for full diagnostic.
It gets worse.......but at least it DIDN'T go on the journey down, or the one back, effectively stranding us.
Seriously, no luck isolating the problem today, we know the rod for the swirl chambers is operating properly, the egr isn't coked up and the exhaust is free.
We DON'T know if the solenoid for the egr is working.
Tomorrow the car is going to an Opel dealership about 30 miles away on a truck, for full diagnostic.
It gets worse.......but at least it DIDN'T go on the journey down, or the one back, effectively stranding us.
02 April 2015, 08:58 AM
#21
Have read a little about the CDTI SRi 150 models and few people have said the EGR valves are very poor indeed and fail regularly. They have also said to watch out for inlet manifold problems and this should be changed, but I can't see how that would lead to black smoke.
Certainly still looks like EGR to me.
Found a bit explaining the inlet manifold issues and how they could relate to the sticking EGR valve.
"one of the problems is the ERG valve gums up with exhaust fumes and needs to be periodically removed and cleaned, ive done this a number of times and its a fairly straightforward job covered many times on the internet. Unfortunately when it sticks open it can allow these fumes to start coating the swirl flaps inside the inlet manifold and the first many people know about it is, either the engine managment light(EML) comes on or while doing routine maintenance they see the external swirl flap bar that connects these flaps together has fell off.(its on top of the engine under the injection pipes)".
Found a bit more:
"failed inlet manifold swirl flaps (and the flaps can beak and be ingested by the engine). If the engine smokes or the car suddenly loses power, the secondary butterflies of the swirl actuator valve may have sooted up and seized. Possible to clean but this does not guarantee it won't happen again. Really requires the inlet manifold to be changed as the part where the actuator connects to jams and does not let the butterflies open. Job can take six hours as the fuel pump and cam belt have to be removed to get at it. A coincedental fault is sooting up of the EGR valve."
Certainly still looks like EGR to me.
Found a bit explaining the inlet manifold issues and how they could relate to the sticking EGR valve.
"one of the problems is the ERG valve gums up with exhaust fumes and needs to be periodically removed and cleaned, ive done this a number of times and its a fairly straightforward job covered many times on the internet. Unfortunately when it sticks open it can allow these fumes to start coating the swirl flaps inside the inlet manifold and the first many people know about it is, either the engine managment light(EML) comes on or while doing routine maintenance they see the external swirl flap bar that connects these flaps together has fell off.(its on top of the engine under the injection pipes)".
Found a bit more:
"failed inlet manifold swirl flaps (and the flaps can beak and be ingested by the engine). If the engine smokes or the car suddenly loses power, the secondary butterflies of the swirl actuator valve may have sooted up and seized. Possible to clean but this does not guarantee it won't happen again. Really requires the inlet manifold to be changed as the part where the actuator connects to jams and does not let the butterflies open. Job can take six hours as the fuel pump and cam belt have to be removed to get at it. A coincedental fault is sooting up of the EGR valve."
Last edited by BrownPantsRacing; 02 April 2015 at 09:26 AM.
02 April 2015, 04:09 PM
#23
Did you run over a gypsy and a black cat in it whilst swerving round lucky heather ;-)
03 April 2015, 11:03 AM
#26
Got it back about twenty minutes ago, total bill was €508.
It needed a new egr, the old one had gone faulty, and the price for new, here in France, was €234...about £170. They are, apparently, £72.50 delivered off ebay, had I been at home, genuine Vauxhall part.
Oh well.....it's repaired.
I'll think about a delete when I get home.
It needed a new egr, the old one had gone faulty, and the price for new, here in France, was €234...about £170. They are, apparently, £72.50 delivered off ebay, had I been at home, genuine Vauxhall part.
Oh well.....it's repaired.
I'll think about a delete when I get home.
03 April 2015, 11:18 AM
#28
Seem to have done so.
He didn't charge me to take it 30 miles and back again on a truck for Opel diagnostics, but half an hour for the actual diagnostic...€27.50
They spent hours on it, but only charged 3.5hours labour, so could have been worse.
He didn't charge me to take it 30 miles and back again on a truck for Opel diagnostics, but half an hour for the actual diagnostic...€27.50
They spent hours on it, but only charged 3.5hours labour, so could have been worse.
03 April 2015, 11:45 AM
#30
Name of the game in that trade, people often moan at the high labour rates, but when jobs involve numerous wasted hours faffing about, it has to be: staff won't work for free.
Obviously sliding scale...Opel with their free coffee, WiFi, and slick reception staff meadering around have alot higher overheads, so can charge a hell of alot more....BUT, they also have a whole host resources, like manufacture bulletins, and procedures specific to each model and known trouble issue....good when they get it right. Utter **** when they get it wrong (and they do).
Best advice a Vaux tech told me (used to work for us) on a Astra Easytronic....."try tapping it with a hammer".
It worked LOL