driverless cars
11 February 2015, 11:02 AM
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driverless cars
Just not sure about this.Think it will cost a lot of jobs too ignoring all the other variables
11 February 2015, 11:06 AM
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11 February 2015, 11:39 AM
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I can't see it costing too many jobs. Roads need to be built and maintained, cars - whether they are driverless or not, still need to be manufactured and maintained. Might lose a few more traffic cops I suppose 
I don't think you will ever see PSV's running driverless without being on a track or other guided roadway, similar for HGV's too IMO.
As for driverless cars, who with an interest in driving would have one? Not I.
Doubtless there will be a chunk of the driving populace who would elect for an easy ride, and as said motorways are a prime candidate for auto driven cars.
Of course it could be made compulsory that we all give up our licences
I don't think you will ever see PSV's running driverless without being on a track or other guided roadway, similar for HGV's too IMO.
As for driverless cars, who with an interest in driving would have one? Not I.
Doubtless there will be a chunk of the driving populace who would elect for an easy ride, and as said motorways are a prime candidate for auto driven cars.
Of course it could be made compulsory that we all give up our licences
11 February 2015, 01:32 PM
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I think we can agree they'll have a few problems.
Off the top of my head..
If you're not driving, can you get on with the being that is? would you argue about road manners like you do with the Missus?
Would you trust it to keep its mouth shut when you take your secretary out in it for a spot of afternoon outsourcing?
What happens if you see a mate and want to nip over for a chat? Would you have to sort its navigation out pronto?
Would it let you park just anywhere like you do now? and run over the Warden's foot when he gets lippy?
Would it clean and polish itself? or throw a wobbly when it's full of lager cans and McDonalds wrappers?
I see they've got them out looking like something Mike Myers would drive. How would you know which one is yours?
What if the Missus finds out about your secretary and goes after you, could it avoid a deliberate ramming?
We need to be told..
Off the top of my head..
If you're not driving, can you get on with the being that is? would you argue about road manners like you do with the Missus?
Would you trust it to keep its mouth shut when you take your secretary out in it for a spot of afternoon outsourcing?
What happens if you see a mate and want to nip over for a chat? Would you have to sort its navigation out pronto?
Would it let you park just anywhere like you do now? and run over the Warden's foot when he gets lippy?
Would it clean and polish itself? or throw a wobbly when it's full of lager cans and McDonalds wrappers?
I see they've got them out looking like something Mike Myers would drive. How would you know which one is yours?
What if the Missus finds out about your secretary and goes after you, could it avoid a deliberate ramming?
We need to be told..
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11 February 2015, 01:38 PM
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Not sure if it's common knowledge but trucks have already been out and about on European roads (Germany l think) that are driverless.
At a guess l would of thought that it will allow one man to do more miles, ie the driver has a sleep or break while still covering ground so has the potential for a few of them to compensate for one drivers work buy uping the work load of others hence putting a human out of work.
I would of thought that balance would be met elsewhere though, people to fix them or service them maybe.
At a guess l would of thought that it will allow one man to do more miles, ie the driver has a sleep or break while still covering ground so has the potential for a few of them to compensate for one drivers work buy uping the work load of others hence putting a human out of work.
I would of thought that balance would be met elsewhere though, people to fix them or service them maybe.
11 February 2015, 01:41 PM
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Defiantly not for me thanks. Cruise control was handy on quiet motorways (which is what I had in my old car) but useless on busy motorways and anything else. I don't particularly miss it either has I hardly drive on motorways anyway.
I can't imagine completely driverless cars on smaller A-B roads? Surely it would be motorways only?
I can't imagine completely driverless cars on smaller A-B roads? Surely it would be motorways only?
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11 February 2015, 02:13 PM
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Defiantly not for me thanks. Cruise control was handy on quiet motorways (which is what I had in my old car) but useless on busy motorways and anything else. I don't particularly miss it either has I hardly drive on motorways anyway.
I can't imagine completely driverless cars on smaller A-B roads? Surely it would be motorways only?
I can't imagine completely driverless cars on smaller A-B roads? Surely it would be motorways only?
11 February 2015, 04:04 PM
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Swearing in public, fly-tipping, smoking, bad hair, poor choice of clothing. I'm sure they'll find something............
Wall-E probably won't be far wide of the mark tbh.
Wall-E probably won't be far wide of the mark tbh.
12 February 2015, 03:37 PM
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I can see certain benefits, vehicles could lock into convoys on longer journeys. All vehicles would move off from traffic lights simultaneously eliminating lag and therefore congestion. There will many years of further development, but also the human condition of wanting to have control is going to keep rearing it's head.
12 February 2015, 04:02 PM
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No Driver-That would be a plus point to many.
I can see certain benefits, vehicles could lock into convoys on longer journeys. All vehicles would move off from traffic lights simultaneously eliminating lag and therefore congestion. There will many years of further development, but also the human condition of wanting to have control is going to keep rearing it's head.
I can see certain benefits, vehicles could lock into convoys on longer journeys. All vehicles would move off from traffic lights simultaneously eliminating lag and therefore congestion. There will many years of further development, but also the human condition of wanting to have control is going to keep rearing it's head.
12 February 2015, 04:16 PM
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The talk is about GPS mapping.
This might work if ALL vehicles were equipped AND the mapping was accurate AND all vehicles had laser sensors for 360 degree coverage.
Tell me what happens when one of these deathtraps comes round a corner on a rural road at 60mph and there is a deer in the road?
Or when Thames Water have setup some temporary roadworks and haven't filed the correct paperwork for that day.
And pedestrian crossings?
Bottom line is these things will potter about in confined spaces at 15mph and p~ss everyone off, including those stuck inside them.
This might work if ALL vehicles were equipped AND the mapping was accurate AND all vehicles had laser sensors for 360 degree coverage.
Tell me what happens when one of these deathtraps comes round a corner on a rural road at 60mph and there is a deer in the road?
Or when Thames Water have setup some temporary roadworks and haven't filed the correct paperwork for that day.
And pedestrian crossings?
Bottom line is these things will potter about in confined spaces at 15mph and p~ss everyone off, including those stuck inside them.
12 February 2015, 04:24 PM
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The talk is about GPS mapping.
This might work if ALL vehicles were equipped AND the mapping was accurate AND all vehicles had laser sensors for 360 degree coverage.
Tell me what happens when one of these deathtraps comes round a corner on a rural road at 60mph and there is a deer in the road?
Or when Thames Water have setup some temporary roadworks and haven't filed the correct paperwork for that day.
And pedestrian crossings?
Bottom line is these things will potter about in confined spaces at 15mph and p~ss everyone off, including those stuck inside them.
This might work if ALL vehicles were equipped AND the mapping was accurate AND all vehicles had laser sensors for 360 degree coverage.
Tell me what happens when one of these deathtraps comes round a corner on a rural road at 60mph and there is a deer in the road?
Or when Thames Water have setup some temporary roadworks and haven't filed the correct paperwork for that day.
And pedestrian crossings?
Bottom line is these things will potter about in confined spaces at 15mph and p~ss everyone off, including those stuck inside them.
It was quite a few years ago that a bmw went round the top gear circuit as fast as any driven car.
The technology will develop to such a level that people will accept it, it's only a matter of when!
12 February 2015, 05:37 PM
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The talk is about GPS mapping.
This might work if ALL vehicles were equipped AND the mapping was accurate AND all vehicles had laser sensors for 360 degree coverage.
Tell me what happens when one of these deathtraps comes round a corner on a rural road at 60mph and there is a deer in the road?
Or when Thames Water have setup some temporary roadworks and haven't filed the correct paperwork for that day.
And pedestrian crossings?
Bottom line is these things will potter about in confined spaces at 15mph and p~ss everyone off, including those stuck inside them.
This might work if ALL vehicles were equipped AND the mapping was accurate AND all vehicles had laser sensors for 360 degree coverage.
Tell me what happens when one of these deathtraps comes round a corner on a rural road at 60mph and there is a deer in the road?
Or when Thames Water have setup some temporary roadworks and haven't filed the correct paperwork for that day.
And pedestrian crossings?
Bottom line is these things will potter about in confined spaces at 15mph and p~ss everyone off, including those stuck inside them.
But deer aren't always already in the road, the just appear from nowhere and suddenly they are there. I hit one two years back and I don't care how clever the machine might have been the impact was unavoidable, even if the vehicle had stopped absolutely dead, which it physically can't. Children jumping out from behind busses or cars would get a similar clout, and like the deer, they would die.
As I mentioned earlier, these things will be in favour up to the point they kill someone, then they will be gone again.
12 February 2015, 06:58 PM
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But deer aren't always already in the road, the just appear from nowhere and suddenly they are there. I hit one two years back and I don't care how clever the machine might have been the impact was unavoidable, even if the vehicle had stopped absolutely dead, which it physically can't. Children jumping out from behind busses or cars would get a similar clout, and like the deer, they would die.
As I mentioned earlier, these things will be in favour up to the point they kill someone, then they will be gone again.
As I mentioned earlier, these things will be in favour up to the point they kill someone, then they will be gone again.
12 February 2015, 06:59 PM
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But deer aren't always already in the road, the just appear from nowhere and suddenly they are there. I hit one two years back and I don't care how clever the machine might have been the impact was unavoidable, even if the vehicle had stopped absolutely dead, which it physically can't. Children jumping out from behind busses or cars would get a similar clout, and like the deer, they would die.
As I mentioned earlier, these things will be in favour up to the point they kill someone, then they will be gone again.
As I mentioned earlier, these things will be in favour up to the point they kill someone, then they will be gone again.
Change the deer. Now we are in the town centre travelling at 20mph. A child runs into the road from the left, there are people and street furniture on the pavement and there is a car travelling in the opposite direction. Stopping quick enough to avoid a collision is not possible. What does the 'magic' car do? Mow down the kid, mount the pavement or crash into the oncoming vehicle?
The company/people who sell/design these vehicles will be sued out of existance at the first sign of trouble. Or the state will when they have to insure the exercise because no-one else will.
This is a pointless idea on every level.
12 February 2015, 07:05 PM
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This nonsence is at least decades away from being mainstream. The fact a car has lapped the Top Gear track as fast as a human driver is irrelevant, let's see the same car getting through a town with all the variables involved.
Change the deer. Now we are in the town centre travelling at 20mph. A child runs into the road from the left, there are people and street furniture on the pavement and there is a car travelling in the opposite direction. Stopping quick enough to avoid a collision is not possible. What does the 'magic' car do? Mow down the kid, mount the pavement or crash into the oncoming vehicle?
The company/people who sell/design these vehicles will be sued out of existance at the first sign of trouble. Or the state will when they have to insure the exercise because no-one else will.
This is a pointless idea on every level.
Change the deer. Now we are in the town centre travelling at 20mph. A child runs into the road from the left, there are people and street furniture on the pavement and there is a car travelling in the opposite direction. Stopping quick enough to avoid a collision is not possible. What does the 'magic' car do? Mow down the kid, mount the pavement or crash into the oncoming vehicle?
The company/people who sell/design these vehicles will be sued out of existance at the first sign of trouble. Or the state will when they have to insure the exercise because no-one else will.
This is a pointless idea on every level.
12 February 2015, 07:09 PM
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No,cars should always be ready to brake and driving at the appropriate speed.Children are children
Driver/driverless car at fault
Driver/driverless car at fault
12 February 2015, 07:35 PM
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The scenario in town would probably lead to an collision either with a driver or not. The party at fault is the child regrettably. Data will be recorded as to what happened. The auto vehicle be adhering to all the required speed and safety protocols. Safer environment for the majority. Given the pace of tech , I doubt this is decades away.
12 February 2015, 07:40 PM
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Data recorded? Regrettable? If a human driver mows down a child that jumps out into the road, the child is most likely killed and the driver is reduced to a mental wreck, probably forever. Sympathy goes to the parents, the lost child of course but also to the shattered driver. How would we feel if a supposedly infallible robot car killed the child though? I can imagine the sledgehammers coming out.
12 February 2015, 07:56 PM
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There's already lots of cars out there on the roads of the uk that will break much faster than a human can if a deer or child jumps out it the road. Don't quote me but l think NCAP already test for it and have done for a while.
But the town arguments are probably best left for another day, the technology of "driverless" will be first used on motorways. I should think that you will get yourself onto the motorway, and much the same as cruise control now you will push a button and off you go.
Right now as I've said we already have and use the technology on uk roads. Radar cruise control, automatic breaking systems, and the same space awareness technology that is used in auto park like is seen in things like even KIAs will all be setup to work together.
They could do it tomorrow I'm sure, it's just a case of test test and more tests.
And it will be safer than letting x amount of people have control. I'm not a big fan of tech and no doubt it can go wrong but it won't go wrong as often as people do.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...ems-rated.html
But the town arguments are probably best left for another day, the technology of "driverless" will be first used on motorways. I should think that you will get yourself onto the motorway, and much the same as cruise control now you will push a button and off you go.
Right now as I've said we already have and use the technology on uk roads. Radar cruise control, automatic breaking systems, and the same space awareness technology that is used in auto park like is seen in things like even KIAs will all be setup to work together.
They could do it tomorrow I'm sure, it's just a case of test test and more tests.
And it will be safer than letting x amount of people have control. I'm not a big fan of tech and no doubt it can go wrong but it won't go wrong as often as people do.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...ems-rated.html
12 February 2015, 08:07 PM
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Lifts and moving staircases are machines, not robots. They only go up or down and they are stuffed with safety features. Complex robots are employed of course, and many are used in car construction. But they operate within very tight parameters and don't go wandering around the workspace by themselves looking for something to do. Driverless cars would be an entirely different type of robot. Unconstrained, they would be construed as having a will of their own. They and their manufacturers rightly would be held responsible for any deaths or serious accidents that they were involved in.
