Dingdongler

I need a very non reflective paint in one of my rooms and so would really like to use a very matt paint. It also needs to be in a very dark colour and after painting some test patches I noticed that if I run my fingers on it chalky white marks get left behind.

These marks seem to go after a gentle wipe with a damp cloth.

I'm happy to do this but how will the paint cope with regular wipe downs?

Thanks

96sti

You will just end up rubbing it off eventually. Vinyl is much more durable mate

dpb

Vinyl , black walls , rubbing down

You don't like to ask , but .......

Dingdongler

Yup vinyl is far more durable but I really wanted something that wouldn't bounce light around.

Dingdongler

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

Wilko do a range called 'Colour Blast', which is a matt paint, but unlike most matt paints, it is washable. If you don't want an own brand paint, no doubt someone will do something similar. Here is a link below anyway, just a thought.

http://www.wilko.com/wall+ceiling-pa...r/invt/0283303

dpb

I used Dulux bathroom plus - in bathroom


Don't think it comes in black

Dingdongler

Thanks for your help. I'll probably go vinyl and just accept the reflected light issues.

zip106

Dulux Diamond Matt.

Matt finish, scrubbable.

You're welcome.

Dingdongler

Hey Zip.

It's not that I particularly want to be able to scrub it, the most important thing is that I want it to have the least amount of sheen possible.

I've just used the dulux diamond matt on my kitchen ceiling btw.

Will I be able to get it in black?

zip106

Think you can get it in black, yes.

If you're not likely to want to wipe it or it's not in a high traffic area, then Dulux also do Ultra Matt -

http://www.duluxtradepaintexpert.co....ade/ultra-matt

Just be aware it doesn't really wear as well as vinyl / diamond Matt finishes.

Johnstones Paints also do a dead flat emulsion in 5 litre tins in black, but I've not used it before so can't comment on the flatness.

Also, Dead Flat from F&B - http://www.farrow-ball.com/pitch-bla...product/100256

(Drop down menu - select 'interior woodwork' - you can also use the paint on plaster)

Spoon

Judging by their 5 litre tin it is incredibly flat!

Dingdongler

Zip, it's not a high traffic area but two small kids do cause 'damage' no matter how careful you try and be.

Have you ever put diamond matt on the walls?

Cheers

zip106

Regularly use diamond Matt on walls - it's good stuff, but not as flat as I think you want it.
It's just hard wearing.

stevebt

iTrader: (8)

Vinyl silk will instantly make walls look bad as due to the shine it will show up any mark where as with a matt paint you won't see them and in black it will be really bad in vinyl silk.

tarmac terror

iTrader: (2)

I painted my office in my home a really deep red colour using paint from these guys - www.littlegreene.com

It is quite expensive at about £70 for 5L, but I really like the chalk like appearance of thier matt finish.

I have had to clean the odd mark off the walls here and there, with no trace or damage caused. I haven't been so successful in cleaning off the odd mark from the Dulux matt finish that my hall, stairway and landing are painted with.

zip106

Their Absolute range is pretty good - just a 2-3% sheen on the matt finish.
I really enjoy using their products, but as you say - quite pricey (like F&B)

Zoffany also do a chalky matt emulsion, but it's only spongeable so will probably mark when you touch it.

salsa-king

or Crown Clean Extreme


both the above paints are put in different tints... re labelled matt finish wipeable/scubbable kitchen and bathroom paints and sold to DIY'ers through Wilko's B&Q etc etc





If you're wantinga darkish colour, look at Farrow & Ball.. and go for the modern emulsion (not the estate emulsion, AS that has a chalky effect) as it is almost matt finish but you can wipe it down. it's not as shiny as a soft sheen either.



You're welcome too

salsa-king

they did a new formula the other year.. I thought it was almost like a soft sheen when I did a room out... the Rep from Slough/ICI rang and I said it's as Matt as Crown's Clean Extreme. He said have you tried the new Diamond Matt... I said yep.. that's what I'm telling you, it's not very matt. lol

zip106

Evening Phil - how are you?

Agree with you on the F&B.

Off topic, but had a strange one today - customer got their own match pots (Dulux) and decided on 'Almost Oyster'.
They go on holiday (Barbados, sailing...) and leave me to it - I buy all the Almost Oyster I need, just done the lounge and stairs in it, notice the tester she did upstairs looks nothing like what I've put on!

They've been and bought a tester from b&q - ready mixed one, not like the ones we get from DDC - colour is so different it looks like Almond white, whereas the oyster has a pink tinge to it.

My colour cards are the same as the paint I've put on, but not the tester pot.
******* b&q $hite..

Bit of a bugger when your customer is half way around the world....

salsa-king

all good here and really busy at the mo.

Gary the rep from DDC said to us years ago a tester pot is a waste of time and money.
They can't get the correct mix in a 100ml tin that would be mixed as a 5ltr tin.

We had the same thing.. customer going mad with tester pots, picks colour.. we get colour made up.. do the room then she said its not like the tester pot.

Only way you get it if it's a tester pot that is pre made up from the vatt that's mixed the originla colour.. like F&B's paint. (what's in the tins is the same paint as the tester pot).


Just done a room out at Gunthorpe.... there must have been 20 sample squares all over the walls.. all at main eye level.. all applied like gastar.

First thing I said to her was I'll slap your wrist for doing that, she said, yeah your dad said the same.

I had a right job trying to rub down the thick brush marks off.

Then to top it off she's got Sanderson's emulsion, which I didn't think would cover all the various colours she's sampled on the wall. It did though, but I could slightly see where the little squares had been.





I have to say now I've said to dad... (he had to agree too)
1. I only want used water based paint from now on.. F&B I'd used all the time.
2. never want to use oil base paint ever again... as it now takes ages to dry.
3. only want to hang Non Woven wall paper (paste the wall).

it's a tall order, but we'll get there eventually.

zip106

Non woven - best thing to come to us for years!
Love it.

Dingdongler

Thanks for your help. I'll be more specific, I want the darkest, least reflective BLACK paint.

I'll try and pop into the little green company showroom on Sunday if I can.

zip106

Are you going to let us know what it's for?

I'm imagining all sorts.....



Darkest, least reflective - blackboard paint.

salsa-king

LittleGreen paint :rolleye:

Turbohot

Blackboard paint? Wipe your dirty mind , coz it could be as innocent as a kiddies' play room, you know. I'm getting the visions of Ding's children doing their writings all over the walls in there. Kids scribble everywhere, so he might as well make the walls adaptable. Top idea imo to enable the free flow of the young creative minds. Also, the cherubs can feel free to climb the walls with their chocolate or yogurt covered little hands. Ding will be able to spot such modern art well against the black shade, and wipe it off. The only drawback is that when he gets a bit disciplinarian-like towards his children for some reason, they may write something unsavoury against him in revenge, with their lead pencil or black crayon on those black walls, but Ding won't be able to detect and read it. I get the visions of his cherubs delivering delirious giggles at that while the daddy wonders what on earth they could have been schmoking.

salsa-king

mine are 4yrs and 2yrs... never written on walls, they've grown up to respect the environment around them.

how can you tell kids its ok to write on that wall... but not on THAT wall :crazy:

Turbohot

Mine are now 22 and 27, and they grew up respecting the environment around them. My older never decorated his walls with his scribblings (no one stopped him, he just wasn't that way inclined), but the younger one drew and wrote all over the walls of her room as well as on the ceilings and floors, as well as filled the notebooks with her amazing self-expression. The child was winning art and writing competitions since the age of 4! I did not take it as an act of vandalism nor was it any abnormal graffiti release of a dysfunctional mind. I noticed the flare of self-expression via her art and her writings, and I enabled it by letting her do that in her room, not on any other wall of the house, mind.

I re-decorated her room with her permission last year, and it was hard for me to paint over some beautiful and meaningful things she had written, and some beautiful art she had marked the walls with. I took the pictures to preserve her work done through her young and free reative years, and she now has them as her fond memories.

I believe than the kids are disciplined everywhere, working towards the condition of worth. If they are provided the space to work towards their own conditions they wish for, it helps them to grow as much happier and more confident adults. That's my experience.

She's a very good artist and a very good writer now. She has made some money by doing both things, but she's actually working in a normal job at the moment in order to earn for her future travels.

Turbohot

Sorry, I forgot to comment on that.

You can tell the kids -"You're free to write on your room's walls, but not on any other wall of the house". They get it, just the way they get where to wee and where not to wee, and where to sleep and where not to sleep etc.

Dingdongler

Yes, it says a lot about you

Ok, it's for a SMALL dedicated cinema room. If I mentioned that from the get go I thought somebody might accuse me of will waving

I've tried a sample of the blackboard paint as that was recommended to me by my local paint shop. It definitely does the trick, ie virtually no reflection however it leaves those white chalky marks if you run your fingers over it.

A damp cloth takes the marks away, but I'm not sure how long it would last if I keep wiping it.