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Old 17 November 2014, 10:49 AM
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Default Cameron - getting his excuses in early!

Our beloved leader is busy telling us the global economy is about to slow down which could harm the UK recovery... how very convenient. So he blames Labour for the global economic crisis in 2007/2008 and now it is the global economy that is about to mess up his so called 'recovery' despite the fact there has not been any real recovery north of Watford!

Global economy lights are flashing says PM

No worries as he will be taking a good caning in the by election on Thursday despite describing it as a must win seat and 'throwing the kitchen sink' at it ... his words!

No doubt we will get a whole heap of platitudes from the **** on Friday about how people are just registering a protest vote and he is listening and all the usual sh1te they come out with at times like this!
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I don't think it really matters anymore which lot are in power since they have all pretty much morphed into one party, namely the political elite, ordinary man on the street doesn't stand a chance and I would include the current favourites UKIP in that too, blaming the ills of the UK on foreigners won't change anything, and neither will they be any different than the current crop should they get into power, it will corrupt them even more so.

I question the morals and motivation of anyone that wants to be a politician as well as anyone that backs them financially, it's all about exerting the will of the few onto the many, which by it's very definition is questionable.

Guy fawkes had the right idea.
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So we should have borrowed another trillion from ourselves , as labour wanted to do, and now everything would be just right. ???


Non story

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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
I don't think it really matters anymore which lot are in power since they have all pretty much morphed into one party, namely the political elite, ordinary man on the street doesn't stand a chance and I would include the current favourites UKIP in that too, blaming the ills of the UK on foreigners won't change anything, and neither will they be any different than the current crop should they get into power, it will corrupt them even more so.

I question the morals and motivation of anyone that wants to be a politician as well as anyone that backs them financially, it's all about exerting the will of the few onto the many, which by it's very definition is questionable.

Guy fawkes had the right idea.
well said
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
I don't think it really matters anymore which lot are in power since they have all pretty much morphed into one party, namely the political elite, ordinary man on the street doesn't stand a chance and I would include the current favourites UKIP in that too, blaming the ills of the UK on foreigners won't change anything, and neither will they be any different than the current crop should they get into power, it will corrupt them even more so.

I question the morals and motivation of anyone that wants to be a politician as well as anyone that backs them financially, it's all about exerting the will of the few onto the many, which by it's very definition is questionable.

Guy fawkes had the right idea.
Quite right...for anyone who has ever read George Orwell's "Animal farm", the parallels are there.
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So we should have borrowed another trillion from ourselves , as labour wanted to do, and now everything would be just right. ???


Non story

How on earth to you draw that corollary from this story? Try engaging your brain or don't bother commenting!
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
I don't think it really matters anymore which lot are in power since they have all pretty much morphed into one party, namely the political elite, ordinary man on the street doesn't stand a chance and I would include the current favourites UKIP in that too, blaming the ills of the UK on foreigners won't change anything, and neither will they be any different than the current crop should they get into power, it will corrupt them even more so.

I question the morals and motivation of anyone that wants to be a politician as well as anyone that backs them financially, it's all about exerting the will of the few onto the many, which by it's very definition is questionable.

Guy fawkes had the right idea.
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Somebody has to do it though

And realistically its Tory or labour





* How is it NOT relevant?

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Originally Posted by dpb
Somebody has to do it though

And realistically its Tory or labour

What a sad indictment on our political system.
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Hmmm Probably
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I'm not complaining; we have the best of the worst.

Would anyone else have done it better?

Doubtful.

The sorry state is mainly legacy borne, anything done now will not repair that. The only way to fix it is armageddon (WWIII? ) or "true" political anarchism (not to be confused with the typical knuckle-dragger/hippy/greebo/fantasist anarchy). (IMO)
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I'll be sticking with the Tories as we would be far worse off with Labour, end of.

Anybody that thinks otherwise needs a wake up call IMO.
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Originally Posted by Jay Cartay
I'll be sticking with the Tories as we would be far worse off with Labour, end of.

Anybody that thinks otherwise needs a wake up call IMO.
So you advocate voting for a party of useless politicians solely because they are less useless than another party? That makes sense
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
So you advocate voting for a party of useless politicians solely because they are less useless than another party? That makes sense
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Quite right...for anyone who has ever read George Orwell's "Animal farm", the parallels are there.
Yep read that at school in the 80's, "we are all equal, but some of us are more equal than the others"

The things one remembers, maybe my education wasn't so bad after all.
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
So you advocate voting for a party of useless politicians solely because they are less useless than another party? That makes sense
So you'd vote for the even more useless one then would you or obstain from voting altogether? That makes even more sense
Old 17 November 2014, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by An0n0m0us
So you'd vote for the even more useless one then would you or obstain from voting altogether? That makes even more sense
Sigh, there are more parties than just Labour and the Tories you know!

And anyway yes there have been elections where I haven't voted as there was no one to vote for!
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Buff up loafers, don your frock F1 and turn up Westminster for a full weeks work,

Show em how it's done



No slouching around on the Internet half the day pontificating.
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
So you advocate voting for a party of useless politicians solely because they are less useless than another party? That makes sense
Wait, you mean that ISN'T what we're supposed to do?!

Show me a credible alternative, instead of just complaining all the time. Like it or not, a vote for anybody else at the moment is a wasted vote. Imagine Miliband trying to march into the EU and tell them what's what. They just laugh at him and that's if they could even work out wtf he was saying! At least Cameron has some credibility.

The government sure aren't perfect, but there literally is nobody better that has a realistic chance of taking power.
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Originally Posted by Jay Cartay
Wait, you mean that ISN'T what we're supposed to do?!

Show me a credible alternative, instead of just complaining all the time. Like it or not, a vote for anybody else at the moment is a wasted vote. Imagine Miliband trying to march into the EU and tell them what's what. They just laugh at him and that's if they could even work out wtf he was saying! At least Cameron has some credibility.

The government sure aren't perfect, but there literally is nobody better that has a realistic chance of taking power.
It was at the 'At least Cameron has some credibility' statement that I realised you're deluded. I fear this conversation may only go one way if continued.

In my opinion Cameron has no more or less credibility than Miliband.

Personally I liken the current UK political landscape to having three pills in front of you. Two will definitely make you feel worse, the third might not and might make you feel better. Guess which one I'm taking!
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
It was at the 'At least Cameron has some credibility' statement that I realised you're deluded. I fear this conversation may only go one way if continued.

In my opinion Cameron has no more or less credibility than Miliband.

Personally I liken the current UK political landscape to having three pills in front of you. Two will definitely make you feel worse, the third might not and might make you feel better. Guess which one I'm taking!
I would beg to differ on which of us is deluded!

I take it you will be voting UKIP then?

BTW I said "some" credibility.
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The only reason UKIP presently has little credibility is that they have ONE seat.

If/when they end up with more than the Limp Dems, will they have more then?
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Originally Posted by alcazar
The only reason UKIP presently has little credibility is that they have ONE seat.

If/when they end up with more than the Limp Dems, will they have more then?
Nope as most people on this site are Tories and they all said they would never win one seat. By Friday morning they will have 2 and I fancy by the general election a good few more. They will still argue they have no credibility becuase they are not the Tory party!

I am simply voting for them as a way to get rid of Cameron and Miliband, UKIP are actually far far away from my politics, but until a proper socialist party arrives on the scene or Farage turns out to be another pig at the trough I will vote tactically and anyway I do want us out of the EU!
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But if we leave the EU, I will have to mess about with my insurance when I want to go to the 'Ring
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Originally Posted by Jay Cartay
But if we leave the EU, I will have to mess about with my insurance when I want to go to the 'Ring
Fair enough mate, I'll vote for Camo then
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That's the spirit!
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I will vote UKIP at the next one.
I am looking forward to them putting to bed the idea that, "If you vote UKIP, you get Tory/Labour".
Perhaps folk will see that if you vote UKIP, you GET UKIP?
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Cameron may be a complete ******** but at least he didn't get publicly humiliated by an ex-member of Heresay...
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29742865

They're pathetic aren't they , anything to get onside.


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