dnc

The referendum has raised his profile somewhat and he is 'promising' the Scots that the timetable for change will be met.

I'm not quite sure how the hell he can influence that and I hope he is not planning a return to front-line politics.

I thought and hoped I had seen the last of that twisted, rictus grin. Get back under your stone, you useless cretin.

Thoughts?

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Thoughts?

"Oh no"

....what place does politics have for a failed chancellor, a failed pm, and a election loser?

Can't he become a peace envoy or something...oh no wait....that's taken, maybe a financial envoy, seeing that by his account he "saved" the world's economy.

hodgy0_2

One thing is certain history will be kinder to Brown than to Blair

jods

This is probably true. Brown will have no place in the history books.
Blair, on the other hand, will go down as the PM that did his best to try and destroy our beautiful country.

Social Engineering is the #1 thing that seriously boils my pi55

RA Dunk

What do you mean 'try', he f*cking well did!!

Along with his illegal war, shafting us with the EU, his wifes bonkers human rights nonsense, then he fcuked off and left that one eyed **** jockey to run the show!

dpb

He's probably propping up the bar somewhere with Mr Salmon

scooby87

iTrader: (5)

That bit got me

dnc

That's the question that worries me

Martin2005

Not a Brown fan, but give him credit, he did rescue the the No campaign

Martin2005

What you think someone losing their eye is funny?

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

And sadly coupled to the previous 18 years of Thatcherism the nation has been reduced to, in the main, a mixture of selfish, greedy 'I'm alright Jack's at one end and crooks, cheats and scroungers at the other with little left in between all governed by a controlling nanny state!

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Its starting....the savior of the Union!

I wouldn't give him that much credit; He just repeated the same rhetoric other No campaigners were making. Granted Darling made a fudge of it....but he was making the very same points. Millipede was out of his depth; Noted when he was heckled by a bunch of Yes protesters and rather than challenge them he had to escorted to safety (pathetic), same with Danny Alexander who couldn't hold the attention of his audience.

The only difference Brown gave is he was another man on the pumps to make the message heard. God knows how though (better security to prevent hecklers? ).

Chip

And where would you consider yourself to be in the above statement?

pflowers

I really can't believe people still blame thatcher for today's problems. For Christ's sake not only did she end her term in power 24 years ago but she's also dead!

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

That may be true, but a whole generation leaned selfishness from her.

THAT, we'll not be rid of any time soon...you only have to read a few posts on here from the more well off to see that

pflowers

So people become wealthy by being selfish?

I always thought it was about hard work, sacrifices and the willingness to keep going when others would give up...

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Nowhere as I am true socialist, a dying breed sadly!

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Sorry , but LOL!

pflowers

Dingdongler

A true socialist who now votes for UKIP??

neil-h

Don't you know? Big bad Maggy T invented capitalism. Before her everyone worked for the greater good.

hodgy0_2

she obviously did not invent it, but along with others - notably her mentor Milton Friedman and others in the Chicago school of economics she was at the forefront of the resurgence of this brand of free market economics and it's subsequent application in the UK, along with fellow cabinet member such as Sir Keith Joseph

http://www.pieria.co.uk/articles/lad...lton_friedman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago...ilton_Friedman

so if ones thesis is that this form of Capitalism has had disastrous consequence, both intended and unintended for the UK, then it seems perfectly logical to "blame" MT

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

It's the best vote against Cameron, will get us out of the EU and as we have no socialist parties left thanks to Blair it's either that or not vote at all as I haven't done in the previous 3 elections.

Martin2005

'Disastrous consequences'?

hodgy0_2

some people would argue that the de-regulation of the Banks and Banking/Finance that went with this philosophy has had 'Disastrous consequences'

but I am not really here to argue one way or another tbh

I am simply say that, that is a view, not an "out there" internet only conspiracy view, but a view held by respected economists - who take a differing view to the Chicago school

nothing new here though

it was the MT led conservative government, that promoted the use of disability benefit - to keep people of the Dole statistics, and that went well!!!!

David Lock

That's probably correct but Blair was twice the man that Brown was. Iraq will always be blamed on Blair but what was the option? To leave Saddam to his evil policies? History might conclude that the biggest mistake in Iraq was to break up the Ba'ath party when Saddam fell leaving a gaping hole in military management.

Interestingly Blair has given his thoughts to dealing with ISIS and other terror groups which touches on an aggressive policy of "boots on the ground" action. Here is his essay

http://tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/...nion/way-ahead

I don't claim to have read completely but it is obviously written by someone who understands the problems. The irony of course being that it was Blair's invasion action that has led much of the western world to shun from more troops going into Iraq/Syria et al.

As for Brown? Well I suppose he has about a 100-1 chance of taking over from Millipede. He seems to be promising Scotland the exact opposite of what Millipede wants.

dl

Martin2005

I often wonder how we'd now be looking back on the Blair era were it not for a few 'hanging chads' in Florida in 2000?