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Old Mar 31, 2014 | 04:37 PM
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Mine is bring back the enterprise allowance scheme. £100 a week to start your own business plus one of the thousands of empty shops for free for 6 months.
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Old Mar 31, 2014 | 04:41 PM
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People just need to go off their *****.

The jobs are there, but people don't want to do them.
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It's great idea. ( for winning more votes)
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Old Mar 31, 2014 | 04:46 PM
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Not always the case.

The jobs are out there, and employers know they can get degree educated people doing minimum wage jobs.
It leaves a lot of people without a chance.

I can't get employed because people judge me for being dismissed for misconduct 2yrs ago and/or not having 5years back to back references.
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Get rid of the Tories
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Old Mar 31, 2014 | 08:31 PM
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Euthanasia.
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Old Mar 31, 2014 | 08:35 PM
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People just need to go off their *****.

The jobs are there, but people don't want to do them.
Crap jobs are there, decent ones are hard to come by, hence the 1000 people who queued for 40 jobs last week at Aldi.
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Old Mar 31, 2014 | 08:37 PM
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Crap jobs are there, decent ones are hard to come by, hence the 1000 people who queued for 40 jobs last week at Aldi.
Applying to retain their Job Seekers.
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Old Mar 31, 2014 | 09:31 PM
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We need a world war - normally creates loads of jobs and a nice feeling of togetherness
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
Applying to retain their Job Seekers.
You don't need to actually queue up to do that.
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Old Mar 31, 2014 | 09:51 PM
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We need a world war - normally creates loads of jobs and a nice feeling of togetherness
Incredible isn't it, in under 2 years the invasion of Europe was both planned and executed

200 thousand men in a day (over a million in a few weeks), the coordination of 5000 ships, 50 thousand vehicles, and 11 thousand planes - flying over a 100 thousand sorties

All executed brilliantly - in a day

The P-51 Mustang, (arguably the finest fighter of the war - once the Merlin engine was installed) from signed contract to a flying prototype in a 100 days

Give a simple patient database project to a few IT consultancies, 10 years and 3 billion pounds later, and the net result is exactly sweet fa

Just thank god they did not plan d-day

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Old Mar 31, 2014 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Felix.
We need a world war - normally creates loads of jobs and a nice feeling of togetherness
If you wait long enough, one will come along, maybe even two at once.
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Old Mar 31, 2014 | 10:26 PM
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Hodgy

The cost of the NHS IT failure was 13 billion........you missed out 10 Billion.

How about retiring old farts like me and giving jobs to younger people...........

Shaun
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Old Mar 31, 2014 | 10:27 PM
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Get rid of the Tories
Oh you mean spend spend spend like the french


They're doing fabulous over there.
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Old Mar 31, 2014 | 10:40 PM
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Hodgy

The cost of the NHS IT failure was 13 billion........you missed out 10 Billion.

How about retiring old farts like me and giving jobs to younger people...........

Shaun
Lol, I admit it was "think of number time" - I guess I lack ambition

Should have gone bigger, go big or go home
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Old Mar 31, 2014 | 10:41 PM
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Osbourne today said he wants full employment and for us to have the highest rate in the G7.

What a *****.
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Old Mar 31, 2014 | 10:44 PM
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"Go big or go home" - is an old fashioned bankers phrase

And "home" can be either a small 7 bedroom dwelling in Kensington, Cap de Antibes, or Rock, Cornwall
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Old Mar 31, 2014 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
Oh you mean spend spend spend like the french


They're doing fabulous over there.
The question was how to reduce unemployment. Labour will reduce unemployment, how they do it was not mentioned. I answered the question, if you can't see that then never mind.
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Old Apr 1, 2014 | 05:03 AM
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Transportation to the colonies?
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Old Apr 1, 2014 | 07:49 AM
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Encourage business growth outside London: by making it a a tax haven. Scrap welfare entirely to the able bodied of working age.. Stop government handouts overseas, put that money into buildind and repairing infrastructure. Not just hs2, new motorways bypasses and repairing the old.

No job? Grab a shovel and fill that pothole!
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Old Apr 1, 2014 | 08:24 AM
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My single best idea for employment growth:

Scrap worthless degrees, (incl. most arts degrees).
Use the savings to fund more vocational courses.
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Old Apr 1, 2014 | 08:34 AM
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Couple of very good posts
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Old Apr 1, 2014 | 08:36 AM
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Close the doors to immigrants...simple
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Old Apr 1, 2014 | 09:50 AM
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In all seriousness if you want to reduce unemployment properly and for the long term you need to stop having government with a short term vision due to them wanting to get re-elected every 5 years.

A good example is the mining industry. Even if you swallow the line that deep mining had had its day and Maggie 'liberated' these poor miners from their awful jobs there was nothing ever provided for them to move on to.... that ii why even today unemployment in the old mining communities is still 3 times the national average and that is 30 years on!

What we need is a long term plan to move people through college and university and/or apprenticeships into industries that we can specialise in over the long term. There is no quick fix and pretending there is is no more than another politician's lie. It needs a co-ordinated visionary plan supported by all parties and industry for the next 25 years, only then will be get ourselves into a proper employment position and still be able to compete with ever growing globalisation.

I get to travel to places like Indonesia from time to time and I can tell you when these countries get properly organised we are going to get a shock as these people want to work and want to see their country grow and are prepared to be a part of that whatever it takes!
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Old Apr 1, 2014 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
Euthanasia.
Not quite sure I'd go that far, but we need to stop the human population expanding, as I don't buy the theory that for every additional human put on this planet there is a requirement for another job.
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
In all seriousness if you want to reduce unemployment properly and for the long term you need to stop having government with a short term vision due to them wanting to get re-elected every 5 years.

A good example is the mining industry. Even if you swallow the line that deep mining had had its day and Maggie 'liberated' these poor miners from their awful jobs there was nothing ever provided for them to move on to.... that ii why even today unemployment in the old mining communities is still 3 times the national average and that is 30 years on!

What we need is a long term plan to move people through college and university and/or apprenticeships into industries that we can specialise in over the long term. There is no quick fix and pretending there is is no more than another politician's lie. It needs a co-ordinated visionary plan supported by all parties and industry for the next 25 years, only then will be get ourselves into a proper employment position and still be able to compete with ever growing globalisation.

I get to travel to places like Indonesia from time to time and I can tell you when these countries get properly organised we are going to get a shock as these people want to work and want to see their country grow and are prepared to be a part of that whatever it takes!
Having come from a back ground where mining was king I think I can comment on the miners.

The industry was like British Leyland, producing a product that was cheap, but was being replaced by nuclear or gas powerstations and with far more efficient methods of producing steel. The cost of extraction in deep mines was enormous and way to manpower intensive.

The world as moved on with coal being very cheap, even the Germans are building coal fired powerstations but thay are super efficient and the majority of the coal will be open cast sourced, cheap to extract and less manpower intensive.

There are people living in the valleys 30 years after Maggie and they are still stewing in their own juices and not moving on. The EU and government investment in these areas as been enormous and with exception of a few the opportunities have failed.

And most of these traditional mining areas still have labour councils, will they never learn?
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
Having come from a back ground where mining was king I think I can comment on the miners.

The industry was like British Leyland, producing a product that was cheap, but was being replaced by nuclear or gas powerstations and with far more efficient methods of producing steel. The cost of extraction in deep mines was enormous and way to manpower intensive.

The world as moved on with coal being very cheap, even the Germans are building coal fired powerstations but thay are super efficient and the majority of the coal will be open cast sourced, cheap to extract and less manpower intensive.

There are people living in the valleys 30 years after Maggie and they are still stewing in their own juices and not moving on. The EU and government investment in these areas as been enormous and with exception of a few the opportunities have failed.

And most of these traditional mining areas still have labour councils, will they never learn?

Its true. The area in which I live in was manufacturing for the like of Leyland etc. We made the parts that went into your cars and bikes. Hell, the foundry behind where I work used to forge camshafts for the likes BMWs, not just UK manufacturers.

Its all gone. Never to return. It all moved overseas (even the equpiment was relocated). All these sites have now been demolished and housing built instead. Everytime I saw a factory demolished and housing put in its place I've said, where are these people going to work? Because nothing commercial or industrial was being built.

Sure enough the rot started in the 70's/80's, it was limping by the 1990's, but far from dead. But the late 1990's onwards finished it for good, under the watch of a government that was supposed to be on the worker's side. Instead of encouraging industry to move on, it encouraged it to move out overseas! The companies left behind were finished off by ever increasing overheads, there was no help to try aid them becomming more competetative on a global scale (although with China, thats always difficult, but sanctions on imports from China could have been considered).

And STILL the government wants more houses. Why is it that no old housing in my area is ever demolished, bar the odd tower block? There is plenty of shoddy mass built shyte that needs to be knocked down. But will it? No its rented out to the council for the dole wallers to live in.

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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
Having come from a back ground where mining was king I think I can comment on the miners.

The industry was like British Leyland, producing a product that was cheap, but was being replaced by nuclear or gas powerstations and with far more efficient methods of producing steel. The cost of extraction in deep mines was enormous and way to manpower intensive.

The world as moved on with coal being very cheap, even the Germans are building coal fired powerstations but thay are super efficient and the majority of the coal will be open cast sourced, cheap to extract and less manpower intensive.

There are people living in the valleys 30 years after Maggie and they are still stewing in their own juices and not moving on. The EU and government investment in these areas as been enormous and with exception of a few the opportunities have failed.

And most of these traditional mining areas still have labour councils, will they never learn?
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Its true. The area in which I live in was manufacturing for the like of Leyland etc. We made the parts that went into your cars and bikes. Hell, the foundry behind where I work used to forge camshafts for the likes BMWs, not just UK manufacturers.

Its all gone. Never to return. It all moved overseas (even the equpiment was relocated). All these sites have now been demolished and housing built instead. Everytime I saw a factory demolished and housing put in its place I've said, where are these people going to work? Because nothing commercial or industrial was being built.

Sure enough the rot started in the 70's/80's, it was limping by the 1990's, but far from dead. But the late 1990's onwards finished it for good, under the watch of a government that was supposed to be on the worker's side. Instead of encouraging industry to move on, it encouraged it to move out overseas! The companies left behind were finished off by ever increasing overheads, there was no help to try aid them becomming more competetative on a global scale (although with China, thats always difficult, but sanctions on imports from China could have been considered).

And STILL the government wants more houses. Why is it that no old housing in my area is ever demolished, bar the odd tower block? There is plenty of shoddy mass built shyte that needs to be knocked down. But will it? No its rented out to the council for the dole wallers to live in.
I think one's politics will always dictate the view of the miners' plight and yes of course there will always be some people happy to take handouts and wallow in their own self pity in such situations, but I was using them as an example of the lack of proper planning and foresight by successive governments that is prevalent across the UK in all industries and areas.

As said there has been huge investment in some of the more deprived areas of the UK, but only a small fraction of it has been successful and this is down to the lack of proper cohesive well thought out and most importantly lomng term plans as well as a host of other variables such as a cushy welfare state.

I still believe the majority of people in the UK still want to work, but while there is such a cushy welfare state it is easy to fall in to the trap of not doing so.

We also have to get to grips with the rising competition as a result of globalisation. Sure most things made in China are utter sh1te, but when the shops can sell them for buttons in comparison to the proper items and most of the UK buys on price this is what is going to happen.

The politicians have to sit down with industry and decide what we will and won't do for the next 30 - 50 years and start playing to the strengths we have with a cross party supported plan.... of course that will never happen while our politicians are self serving lying scum, but there you go!
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