reducing unemployment, give me your best idea
31 March 2014, 04:37 PM
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reducing unemployment, give me your best idea
Mine is bring back the enterprise allowance scheme. £100 a week to start your own business plus one of the thousands of empty shops for free for 6 months.
31 March 2014, 04:46 PM
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Not always the case.
The jobs are out there, and employers know they can get degree educated people doing minimum wage jobs.
It leaves a lot of people without a chance.
I can't get employed because people judge me for being dismissed for misconduct 2yrs ago and/or not having 5years back to back references.
The jobs are out there, and employers know they can get degree educated people doing minimum wage jobs.
It leaves a lot of people without a chance.
I can't get employed because people judge me for being dismissed for misconduct 2yrs ago and/or not having 5years back to back references.
31 March 2014, 08:35 PM
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31 March 2014, 09:51 PM
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200 thousand men in a day (over a million in a few weeks), the coordination of 5000 ships, 50 thousand vehicles, and 11 thousand planes - flying over a 100 thousand sorties
All executed brilliantly - in a day
The P-51 Mustang, (arguably the finest fighter of the war - once the Merlin engine was installed) from signed contract to a flying prototype in a 100 days
Give a simple patient database project to a few IT consultancies, 10 years and 3 billion pounds later, and the net result is exactly sweet fa
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31 March 2014, 10:26 PM
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The cost of the NHS IT failure was 13 billion........you missed out 10 Billion.
How about retiring old farts like me and giving jobs to younger people...........
Shaun
The cost of the NHS IT failure was 13 billion........you missed out 10 Billion.
How about retiring old farts like me and giving jobs to younger people...........
Shaun
31 March 2014, 10:40 PM
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Should have gone bigger, go big or go home
01 April 2014, 07:49 AM
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Encourage business growth outside London: by making it a a tax haven. Scrap welfare entirely to the able bodied of working age.. Stop government handouts overseas, put that money into buildind and repairing infrastructure. Not just hs2, new motorways bypasses and repairing the old.
No job? Grab a shovel and fill that pothole!
No job? Grab a shovel and fill that pothole!
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In all seriousness if you want to reduce unemployment properly and for the long term you need to stop having government with a short term vision due to them wanting to get re-elected every 5 years.
A good example is the mining industry. Even if you swallow the line that deep mining had had its day and Maggie 'liberated' these poor miners from their awful jobs there was nothing ever provided for them to move on to.... that ii why even today unemployment in the old mining communities is still 3 times the national average and that is 30 years on!
What we need is a long term plan to move people through college and university and/or apprenticeships into industries that we can specialise in over the long term. There is no quick fix and pretending there is is no more than another politician's lie. It needs a co-ordinated visionary plan supported by all parties and industry for the next 25 years, only then will be get ourselves into a proper employment position and still be able to compete with ever growing globalisation.
I get to travel to places like Indonesia from time to time and I can tell you when these countries get properly organised we are going to get a shock as these people want to work and want to see their country grow and are prepared to be a part of that whatever it takes!
A good example is the mining industry. Even if you swallow the line that deep mining had had its day and Maggie 'liberated' these poor miners from their awful jobs there was nothing ever provided for them to move on to.... that ii why even today unemployment in the old mining communities is still 3 times the national average and that is 30 years on!
What we need is a long term plan to move people through college and university and/or apprenticeships into industries that we can specialise in over the long term. There is no quick fix and pretending there is is no more than another politician's lie. It needs a co-ordinated visionary plan supported by all parties and industry for the next 25 years, only then will be get ourselves into a proper employment position and still be able to compete with ever growing globalisation.
I get to travel to places like Indonesia from time to time and I can tell you when these countries get properly organised we are going to get a shock as these people want to work and want to see their country grow and are prepared to be a part of that whatever it takes!
01 April 2014, 10:43 AM
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In all seriousness if you want to reduce unemployment properly and for the long term you need to stop having government with a short term vision due to them wanting to get re-elected every 5 years.
A good example is the mining industry. Even if you swallow the line that deep mining had had its day and Maggie 'liberated' these poor miners from their awful jobs there was nothing ever provided for them to move on to.... that ii why even today unemployment in the old mining communities is still 3 times the national average and that is 30 years on!
What we need is a long term plan to move people through college and university and/or apprenticeships into industries that we can specialise in over the long term. There is no quick fix and pretending there is is no more than another politician's lie. It needs a co-ordinated visionary plan supported by all parties and industry for the next 25 years, only then will be get ourselves into a proper employment position and still be able to compete with ever growing globalisation.
I get to travel to places like Indonesia from time to time and I can tell you when these countries get properly organised we are going to get a shock as these people want to work and want to see their country grow and are prepared to be a part of that whatever it takes!
A good example is the mining industry. Even if you swallow the line that deep mining had had its day and Maggie 'liberated' these poor miners from their awful jobs there was nothing ever provided for them to move on to.... that ii why even today unemployment in the old mining communities is still 3 times the national average and that is 30 years on!
What we need is a long term plan to move people through college and university and/or apprenticeships into industries that we can specialise in over the long term. There is no quick fix and pretending there is is no more than another politician's lie. It needs a co-ordinated visionary plan supported by all parties and industry for the next 25 years, only then will be get ourselves into a proper employment position and still be able to compete with ever growing globalisation.
I get to travel to places like Indonesia from time to time and I can tell you when these countries get properly organised we are going to get a shock as these people want to work and want to see their country grow and are prepared to be a part of that whatever it takes!
The industry was like British Leyland, producing a product that was cheap, but was being replaced by nuclear or gas powerstations and with far more efficient methods of producing steel. The cost of extraction in deep mines was enormous and way to manpower intensive.
The world as moved on with coal being very cheap, even the Germans are building coal fired powerstations but thay are super efficient and the majority of the coal will be open cast sourced, cheap to extract and less manpower intensive.
There are people living in the valleys 30 years after Maggie and they are still stewing in their own juices and not moving on. The EU and government investment in these areas as been enormous and with exception of a few the opportunities have failed.
And most of these traditional mining areas still have labour councils, will they never learn?
01 April 2014, 01:58 PM
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Having come from a back ground where mining was king I think I can comment on the miners.
The industry was like British Leyland, producing a product that was cheap, but was being replaced by nuclear or gas powerstations and with far more efficient methods of producing steel. The cost of extraction in deep mines was enormous and way to manpower intensive.
The world as moved on with coal being very cheap, even the Germans are building coal fired powerstations but thay are super efficient and the majority of the coal will be open cast sourced, cheap to extract and less manpower intensive.
There are people living in the valleys 30 years after Maggie and they are still stewing in their own juices and not moving on. The EU and government investment in these areas as been enormous and with exception of a few the opportunities have failed.
And most of these traditional mining areas still have labour councils, will they never learn?
The industry was like British Leyland, producing a product that was cheap, but was being replaced by nuclear or gas powerstations and with far more efficient methods of producing steel. The cost of extraction in deep mines was enormous and way to manpower intensive.
The world as moved on with coal being very cheap, even the Germans are building coal fired powerstations but thay are super efficient and the majority of the coal will be open cast sourced, cheap to extract and less manpower intensive.
There are people living in the valleys 30 years after Maggie and they are still stewing in their own juices and not moving on. The EU and government investment in these areas as been enormous and with exception of a few the opportunities have failed.
And most of these traditional mining areas still have labour councils, will they never learn?
Its true. The area in which I live in was manufacturing for the like of Leyland etc. We made the parts that went into your cars and bikes. Hell, the foundry behind where I work used to forge camshafts for the likes BMWs, not just UK manufacturers.
Its all gone. Never to return. It all moved overseas (even the equpiment was relocated). All these sites have now been demolished and housing built instead. Everytime I saw a factory demolished and housing put in its place I've said, where are these people going to work? Because nothing commercial or industrial was being built.
Sure enough the rot started in the 70's/80's, it was limping by the 1990's, but far from dead. But the late 1990's onwards finished it for good, under the watch of a government that was supposed to be on the worker's side. Instead of encouraging industry to move on, it encouraged it to move out overseas! The companies left behind were finished off by ever increasing overheads, there was no help to try aid them becomming more competetative on a global scale (although with China, thats always difficult, but sanctions on imports from China could have been considered).
And STILL the government wants more houses. Why is it that no old housing in my area is ever demolished, bar the odd tower block? There is plenty of shoddy mass built shyte that needs to be knocked down. But will it? No its rented out to the council for the dole wallers to live in.
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Having come from a back ground where mining was king I think I can comment on the miners.
The industry was like British Leyland, producing a product that was cheap, but was being replaced by nuclear or gas powerstations and with far more efficient methods of producing steel. The cost of extraction in deep mines was enormous and way to manpower intensive.
The world as moved on with coal being very cheap, even the Germans are building coal fired powerstations but thay are super efficient and the majority of the coal will be open cast sourced, cheap to extract and less manpower intensive.
There are people living in the valleys 30 years after Maggie and they are still stewing in their own juices and not moving on. The EU and government investment in these areas as been enormous and with exception of a few the opportunities have failed.
And most of these traditional mining areas still have labour councils, will they never learn?
The industry was like British Leyland, producing a product that was cheap, but was being replaced by nuclear or gas powerstations and with far more efficient methods of producing steel. The cost of extraction in deep mines was enormous and way to manpower intensive.
The world as moved on with coal being very cheap, even the Germans are building coal fired powerstations but thay are super efficient and the majority of the coal will be open cast sourced, cheap to extract and less manpower intensive.
There are people living in the valleys 30 years after Maggie and they are still stewing in their own juices and not moving on. The EU and government investment in these areas as been enormous and with exception of a few the opportunities have failed.
And most of these traditional mining areas still have labour councils, will they never learn?
Its true. The area in which I live in was manufacturing for the like of Leyland etc. We made the parts that went into your cars and bikes. Hell, the foundry behind where I work used to forge camshafts for the likes BMWs, not just UK manufacturers.
Its all gone. Never to return. It all moved overseas (even the equpiment was relocated). All these sites have now been demolished and housing built instead. Everytime I saw a factory demolished and housing put in its place I've said, where are these people going to work? Because nothing commercial or industrial was being built.
Sure enough the rot started in the 70's/80's, it was limping by the 1990's, but far from dead. But the late 1990's onwards finished it for good, under the watch of a government that was supposed to be on the worker's side. Instead of encouraging industry to move on, it encouraged it to move out overseas! The companies left behind were finished off by ever increasing overheads, there was no help to try aid them becomming more competetative on a global scale (although with China, thats always difficult, but sanctions on imports from China could have been considered).
And STILL the government wants more houses. Why is it that no old housing in my area is ever demolished, bar the odd tower block? There is plenty of shoddy mass built shyte that needs to be knocked down. But will it? No its rented out to the council for the dole wallers to live in.
Its all gone. Never to return. It all moved overseas (even the equpiment was relocated). All these sites have now been demolished and housing built instead. Everytime I saw a factory demolished and housing put in its place I've said, where are these people going to work? Because nothing commercial or industrial was being built.
Sure enough the rot started in the 70's/80's, it was limping by the 1990's, but far from dead. But the late 1990's onwards finished it for good, under the watch of a government that was supposed to be on the worker's side. Instead of encouraging industry to move on, it encouraged it to move out overseas! The companies left behind were finished off by ever increasing overheads, there was no help to try aid them becomming more competetative on a global scale (although with China, thats always difficult, but sanctions on imports from China could have been considered).
And STILL the government wants more houses. Why is it that no old housing in my area is ever demolished, bar the odd tower block? There is plenty of shoddy mass built shyte that needs to be knocked down. But will it? No its rented out to the council for the dole wallers to live in.
As said there has been huge investment in some of the more deprived areas of the UK, but only a small fraction of it has been successful and this is down to the lack of proper cohesive well thought out and most importantly lomng term plans as well as a host of other variables such as a cushy welfare state.
I still believe the majority of people in the UK still want to work, but while there is such a cushy welfare state it is easy to fall in to the trap of not doing so.
We also have to get to grips with the rising competition as a result of globalisation. Sure most things made in China are utter sh1te, but when the shops can sell them for buttons in comparison to the proper items and most of the UK buys on price this is what is going to happen.
The politicians have to sit down with industry and decide what we will and won't do for the next 30 - 50 years and start playing to the strengths we have with a cross party supported plan.... of course that will never happen while our politicians are self serving lying scum, but there you go!
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