MR2Mk1

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How easy is it to replace the front fog lights with decent spots of the same size then wire them into the main beam?

Surely this must a sensible Mod to help you see better in a Classic?

winston69

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P1 driving lights are what you want

MR2Mk1

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These look intersting.

http://www.subarupartsstore.co.uk/pr...Lamps_SACC2542

alcazar

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Yes, those are fine, but use PIAA lamps, which suffer from water ingress which kills the reflector.

You'd be better seeing if you can find a set of the later driving lights which were designed for the newage cars, but fit classics too. they use Hella 1000FF lights.

A mate has those with HID H1 bulbs in and they are amazing. Mine are actual HID lights, and are equally so.
Have a look here, post 26:

https://www.scoobynet.com/technical-...-lamp-kit.html

MR2Mk1

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So basically avoid PIAA lights?

So who makes the P1 lights?

alcazar

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Hella. AFAIK, they are still available from hella dealers, although to order.
They occasionally come up on ebay etc, and are available as halogen or HID, although the HID price will, as always, make your eyes water.

Then you need some foglight covers with the holes in the centre for the light to shine through, plus some brackets which Scoob dealers sell and aren't dear.

You could do the whole lot for around £200, they are much neater than those you posted, and readily adjustable, in two planes like headlight bulbs.

Let me know if you want the part numbers. The lights are 90mm.

We can advise on wiring too.

madscoob

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how about these
wasy conversion cost about £60quid all in plus paint
http://mob1042.photobucket.com/album...wlights003.jpg

every1sgottablue1

Heres mine. They are Hella spots from a Forester I believe. Exactly the same size as P1 lights but they are projector bulbs. Hopefully going to HID (H7) them so they match the headlights

alcazar

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Why not HID the headlights PROPERLY first?

https://www.scoobynet.com/technical-...mpler-way.html

MUCH more light where it should be than HIDs in classic lights.......

MR2Mk1

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If i cant get hold of P1 lights i read that a company called ScoobySport do a kit with Cibie Oscar Plus driving lamps but looking for the cheapest option really. Pity there isnt any driving light the same size as the fogs so i could just switch them over then get the wiring done.

alcazar

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OK two things:
First off, avoid Cibie lights like the plague in that kit. They work well enough, but suffer from reflector corrosion and also bulb failure, at least if it's the lights I think it is. Can you provide a link?

Secondly, fitting: the foglights are fitted with three bolts, one of which holds the indicator in place on pre99 classics.

You'll not find ANY lights that fit like that: why would you? they wopuld ONLY fit Scoobs

Mine are Hella 1000FF HIDs and fit onto alloy brackets, which DO use those three bolts. But the brackets came with the kit, although they could easily be made.

If it were me, now, I'd go with the Hella 90mm lights, Scoob brackets, 9they were for the P1) and an aftermarket cover with hole. Someone on here will know where to get those.
Total outlay would be around £200, but the car looks OE, more so than mine, and the light is excellent.
In fact, the car resembles a P1.......can't be bad, eh?

MR2Mk1

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Can you buy ready made wireing kits to put them on the headlight full beam so that way you can use which ever lights suit rather than buying the whole kit?

May have somone offereing me the PIAA x80 series kit but heard they also have a bad habit of leaking.

Regards Hella lights been told the Hella Comet 500's will fit to original fixings but then you have the wiring yet again which is why i wanderd if you can get the kit separate since only want them on with full beam realy.

alcazar

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You'll not buy a special wiring kit unless you get an actual driving light kit.

But alls you need is a relay, (standard on/off 4-terminal one), some spade connectors, a Scotchlok, some ring connectors, and about 5m of thicker wire, two metres of thin.

I can either post, or send you a set of instructions for wiring that anyone can follow.

Oh, and a circuit tester is good to have: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CAR-CIRCUI...item563a0e4542
That one works fine, for a small outlay.

PIAA's do suffer from corrosion.

Hella Comets are OK, nowt special, you'll STILL have problems fixing them.

here, from the US: http://www.subautoparts.com/subaru_p...500&brand=4555, decent price, the second pic of 1000FF's seem to be sold in twos with bulbs, clear lens covers, (worth having) and wiring kit.

Add on P&P and you're there, except for brackets. Surely you could get some brackets made up?

MR2Mk1

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I see they say up to 1997 cars?

Mine is a year 2000 UK2000 car with facelift bumper?

alcazar

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They will fit.

I've had the Hella kit, and now the Hella HID kit on both early, and now late, facelift bumpers.

MR2Mk1

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Just sent an E-mail to then asking about the H13273601 kit and if they ship to UK since hopfully will work out cheaper with $ to £ exchange rate.

MR2Mk1

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I've seen some p1 driving lights with fixing brackets and covers for £140. Is that a fair 2nd hand price ?

alcazar

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Yes, for halogen.

Then you'd just need to wire them, which can be done for under £25.

MR2Mk1

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Out of interst is it cheaper to convert the head lights to HID instead which would also solve the lack of vision problem or is just the reflectors in the clear Crystal lights are crap so brighter bulbs wouldnt change much.

alcazar

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Got it in one: the classic lights are poorly designed, scattering light everywhere, and use an H4 bulb, the HID version of which is a b@st@rd contraption which ALSO gives scatter.

I've seen some from a well known dealer: the dip was usable, brighter than halogen but badly controlled, and the main beam was worse than my halogen

And now, HID bulbs in a reflector/light unit made for halogen are illegal and an MoT fail

MR2Mk1

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What are ANGEL EYE Headlights like?
Are they worth getting since there the same price as a decent set of spots or are they more just for looks than practicality?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUBARU-IMP...item43a91f918b

alcazar

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In a word, sh1te!

Poor beam pattern, almost certainly nOT e-marked and most wired for one set of lights dip, the other main and they don't like both at once.

I've also read several stories of wiring melting, or, at worst, catching fire.....