chris dt

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hi

ive fitted a set of HIDS.

what an improvement!

just cant work out how to get the dip beam a bit lower.it may be dazzling other drivers.

they r fitted into crystal lights.

any advice on adjusting beam direction would be helpfull.

chris

Aztec Performance Ltd

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There are some bolts at the back of the headlamp.

Double-check the bulbs are seated correctly first though

chris dt

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cheers

ill have a look, think the bulbs are in ok tho.

do these bulbs sufffer with light scatter?

alcazar

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LOL

Not the bulbs mate, the headlight reflector/lens. They are crap, and put light everywhere, so if you increase the light output, say by fitting HIDs, you're BOUND to put MORE light everywhere You can't make the light FOCUS better by changing the bulbs, (although you CAN make it focus worse)

Still, don't worry, BOB5 will be along in a moment to tell you it'll pass an MoT, so all is well

Alcazar

SC008Y_MAD

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So this thread is not just one sided, I would like to ad my 2 pence worth.

I did fit some HID (6000k) to my classic impreza with the factory crystal headlights and although the light out put was better, I would not see where I was going, as there was so much light scatter. Basically, as the reflector is so poor in the light unit it does a poor job of reflecting the light where it is needed - on the road in front of you and not on the hedges/trees/lamp posts - as this is want I found. Yes I did get them re aligned and still I could not see where I was going.

I got so feed up with them, that I removed the HID kit and replaced it with some 50% GE "Super Brilliance" H4 bulbs from Halfords, recommended to me by Alcazar and I have not been happier with them in. No light scatter, well there's a tiny bit, but at least I can now see where I am going at night. But I could not leave it there, oh no. I had to fit some PIAA 120W Driving lights

I got the HID kit from a Alex's GB a few years ago. Just thought I would make that point clear.

Aztec Performance Ltd

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IIRC you had some issues with fitting? Anyhow, I can't comment as they weren't our kits.

In my own experience (classic, crystal headlamps), I went from normal halogens to various uprated halogens and then onto HIDs. The HIDs were by far the best and that's what is still fitted to the car.

Currently testing some projector units for the classics, but too early to comment (alcazar will be happy )

Most people upgrade from uprated halogens to HIDs. I don't know a single customer that hasn't been happy and gone from our HIDs back to halogens.

SC008Y_MAD

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HID kits seem to be the 'must have' car modification for 2008.

BOB, I am fully aware that your kits are really good and get lots of loverly comments, but for me I just did not like them on my classic. If I had a bugeye with the sti projectors, then I would not hesitate it getting a kit from you as they are the way forward in car lighting.

projector HID for classic's...sounds interesting.

chris dt

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dont get me wrong they are a big improvement!

the passenger one seems to light too high.

on full beam they are so much better.

i wont be going back to halogens but may consider projectors.

the watchman

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trying some projectors in my blobeye lights - been an ongoing project for some time just cant seem top get round to finishing them.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ADLIGHT004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ADLIGHT003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ADLIGHT002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ADLIGHT001.jpg
i got it working ok on the dipped beam (bmw z4 projector) but then i got a bit too overconfident and tried to do the main beam (audi a3 projector) as well.
the beam pattern on the dipped beam was spot on. but i,m having problems aligning the two projector units.

chris dt

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you couldnt fit that lot into a classic headlight.

nice piece of engineering tho

CEL

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Hmmm... so, the general consensus of opinion is that the HID conversion kits don't work too well in classic lamps?

Anyone tried to put them in Morettes?

alcazar

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If you mean GENUINE Morettes for the classic, which use Cibie light units, you'll have minor problems with the outers, (dip/main), and won't be able to do the inners at all, since they use an H2 bulb, which no-one makes in HID

You minor problems with the outers have been well docomented on here over the last few months, but to put it in a nutshell, the H4 bulb used in them CAN'T be copied perfectly in HID, so they use a bit of a lash-up system, in which you'll get either perfect main beam/poor dip, or perfect dip/poor main beam

However, having said that, those that DO use them, (I'm not among them, being happy with my Osram Nightbreakers and HID DRIVING lights), reckon that the HID produces so much light that the poor dip, or main beam, isn't a problem.

Since the Cibie units are amongst, if not THE best units out there, you'll not have problems with scatter on whichever works perfectly............except that the HID bulb isn't perfect for that reflector, it's made for a single filament reflector. Most HID kits are made so that the dip will be perfect, (that's the bit an MoT tester will look at), it's the main beam that suffers, but see comments above re light output.

BOB5 will be along in a moment to tell you that no-one using his kits has had problems, they pass an MoT etc etc, yawn.

You make up your own mind.

Alcazar

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dazdavies

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I've got a single H4 kit in my Classic Morrettes.
The normal Dipped beam is HID. Full beam is halogen on both the inner and outter lights. I also have the hella P1 driving lights which is also halogen. No problem with scatter and although the full beam is a different colour to the HID (which can be addressed with bulbs) its irrelivant as I spend most of the time using HID dipped.

alcazar

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Interesting. What bulbs do you have in the outers? I've seen some that have a halogen bulb sort of glued to an HID?

Alcazar

dazdavies

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Its a HID dipped and halogen main beam single H4 (8000k kit

The kit was given to me as a freebie. I do eventually intend to replace it with a Bi H4 kit and then get a more blue bulb for the rest.

Aztec Performance Ltd

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Don't take my word for it

Feedback from customers:

CEL

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Think I'm now statisfied that HID are probably not worth the hassle or expense. I'm going to buy some new lamps (all but one of them are now seriously rusted) for my GENUINE Morettes and consider some PIAA bulbs and possibly look at getting the fogs changed to driving lamps.

Anyone got any suggestions for replacing fogs with driving lights? I dont have unlimited funds so the cheaper option would be my preference. Assume there is quite a bit of messing about to do since the fogs are mounted on special brackets?

Chris

alcazar

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Firstly, I'd not bother with PIAA bulbs, they seem to be a lot of money for a lot of hype and have not scored well in tests. Stick with Philips, Osram or GE % uprated bulbs, which vary from 50% to 90%.

As regards driving lights, PIAA kits are worth the money, avoid Hella kits unless you can afford HID and avoid Cibie as their lights use the H2 bulb. They aren't difficult to fit or wire

Alcazar

CEL

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I might be inclined to agree with you about the PIAA lamps, but when I bought the car it had them fitted and I have to say since one of them blew I have tried many different bulbs all of which were no where near as good as the PIAA ones.

Thats not to say I've tried them all, maybe I just need to keep trying to find a better solution!

Will look into the PIAA driving lights but fear I might need a stiff drink when I see the prices

Chris

dazdavies

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Get the P1 Driving lights like I did. See my earlier post for pics.

DazW

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I've got more or less the same set up as you daz (classic/ morette's with HID kit) except with the H4 Bi's (6000K) ...I was thinking of going to single H4's as the scatter issue returns with the Bi's, although with my 130w H2 main beams you can't really tell

Has anyone fitted a HID kit to there P1 spots?

alcazar

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That was an extra-cost option on genuine P1's.

The parts are still available, but at a price


I have the Hella 1000FF HID driving lights on mine, they use a different bracket to their halogen cousins, and are far more stable and easy to fit. Performance is awesome, far better than ANY headlights I've ever seen inc HID conversions and OE. Down to their size and design, I suppose, they were designed as rally lights. Price now would make your eyes water though

Alcazar

dazdavies

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Pics?

Spec'c'57

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Have someone on the Noble forum doing a front end conversion with the P1 style lights all HID said the units are around £75 each + the HID kit. mounts etc.

dazdavies

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A hell of a lot cheaper than a genuine P1 kit I'll tell thee.

SC008Y_MAD

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I have just watched this video that was posted on DW forum

YouTube - Illegal HID Convesion Kits Explained

Aztec Performance Ltd

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It's been posted before...

It's a shame that Auto Express didn't research things properly.

First off, they start off stating they are illegal, based on the DOT press release, which is NOT law and is not enforceable.

The rest is just to back up their case, which is flawed from the outset.

No issues of glare from our HID kits or any other issues. Everyone that has one of our kits seem delighted with the improvement over normal/uprated halogens.

alcazar

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BOB: you keep saying this, but I'm afraid it doesn't add up. What the DoT is saying is CERTAINLY based on lighting regs, (the law) as they stand, and just because it hasn't been enforced YET, does not mean it WILL NEVER BE.

Stick to telling the truth BOB, tell the people your kits are for "offroad use only" there's a good chap.

There DO seem to be issues about glare from other kits though. Perhaps yours really are magic and can cure issues of glare from classic lights with halogens, let alone those same lights with 300W halogen equivalent HID's in place

As for improvements over halogens, well if you increase the light output 6 fold, and the colour temperature to near daylight, then I'm not surprised

Alcazar

dazdavies

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Will you two stop bitching on every HID thread there is for christ sake.
If Bob want's to sell illegal kits let him. It's not your place to jump on every thread and have a go at him. It's also pretty damn boring to read the same sh*te from you time and time and time again.

I know the score with HID's and still chose to put them on my car. I'm sure that everbody else does too. If people do have an issue then its between them and Bob to sort not for you to spout your bloody boring nonsense over and over.

Change the record there's a good lad.

Spec'c'57

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Thought about writing the very same.