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Old 27 November 2013, 12:14 PM
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Default Sti heads onto a wrx newage, is it worth it?

As above is this worth the cost and what performance gains would be had/ achievable? Thanks Marc
Old 27 November 2013, 12:43 PM
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........ re-read and ammended my post

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Old 27 November 2013, 12:51 PM
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Didn't think they were any different.
Old 27 November 2013, 03:07 PM
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Is that classic sti heads or newage? Either way your looking at a remap or different ecu depending on which one assuming your still on oe one
Old 27 November 2013, 04:19 PM
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Sorry mate yes newage sti heads aswel, heard the wrx ones are good for 400+ bhp?
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Hi there

As above really depends what power you are looking to run

UK STI heads they're good option,but still will cost you quite lot to do conversion,plus ECU you will need too

With AVCS heads you will gain mainly on spool up and on the top end,WRX heads are OK,but main problem with them is the cams,cams on them are lazy,they're OK up to 400bhp,above that you can struggle

On ECU side,if yours is WRX,then JDM WRX ECU can control AVCS,they usually come for sale not often,but they come

Yes you can fit UK STI ECU,but still you will need to do wiring and other bits

Aftermarket ECU can make sense in many ways,I can only recommend Syvecs S6

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I've tried to figure this out from reading peoples posts.
There doesn't seem to be any real answer, because people are after different things, and willing to spend different amounts to get to their goals.
It feels LIle the only really way to find out is to either drive someone's car who has has it done, or do it yourself.

I know that helps F all with your question. But I'm wondering the same thing, and am in the same boat, to do, or not to do?!?!
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If you have the heads off there is much to be gained by having them overhauled and the chambers worked on to improve gas flow, for instance on my wrx heads there was quite a difference in the left and right head, you would have thought they would be the same but quite a lot of material was taken off to balance them up and improve flow rates.
The STI heads have AVCS and there is much more to it than just swopping. Best to keep it as simple as possible.
Trev

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From personal experience AVCS is worth it on any car,just our wagon has been equipped as standard with AVCS and spool on TD04 has been awesome

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Old 27 November 2013, 05:04 PM
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06 WRX onwards heads are also AVCS so I thought?
Old 27 November 2013, 05:08 PM
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the OP is 03 blobeye which is non AVCS
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I realise, just wondering if he was searching for AVCS heads he could look for WRX 06 onwards heads also. Another option. Not sure if cam profiles on 06 WRX are still different though.
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WRX 06 onwards are 2.5L heads and if you want them to use on 2.0L you will need get them CNC'd,06 WRX heads onwards on 2.0L its not straight fit


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Newage sti heads are an expensive change and I'd say not worth it, you'll get slightly quicker spool and a more aggressive cam profile, capable of more power but then what are your intentions? What mods do you have now?
It's much more of a job than just swapping
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If you want STI performance, buy an STI.
Putting an STI engine in a WRX will find out all the shortcomings of the latter and you will eventually end up converting the wrx but at much more cost.
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why not just transplant a full sti 8 engine into your car-they are capable of taking 450 bhp+ in standard form and quite cheap aswell plus you can sell your old engine to recoup some cash back

buy a jdm wrx ecu and a avcs loom made by jt innovations

http://www.jti.uk.com/product/subaru-avcsvvt-loom/
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Jura has a rather nice engine already built up for sale at the moment!
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Originally Posted by jura11
WRX 06 onwards are 2.5L heads and if you want them to use on 2.0L you will need get them CNC'd,06 WRX heads onwards on 2.0L its not straight fit


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Very good point!
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ok, 2litre heads on 2.5 block but didn't think it worked the otherway around
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It was just a query really as I am thinking of selling and potential buyer was considering his options as it still had wrx heads. My engine is a 2.1 stroker so no need for an sti lump also have brembos etc.
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after owning a 03 wrx myself,i can say its not worth it.and after spending an absolute fortune on it modding upto 358bhp including putting the sti8 bottom end in,i can only recommend two things.

A) sell it and buy an sti
B) if you are "attached" to your car like i was and want to keep,dont mess around with the wrx lump.just buy a decent full sti long engine including ancilaries/turbo etc (about 2k give or take) and drop it in with sti wiring and ecu.
i so wish i sold mine earlier and bought an sti,would of worked out a hell of alot cheaper and easier!!
weigh up your options
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lol just read your new comment so ignore lol
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Originally Posted by forgedmarco
It was just a query really as I am thinking of selling and potential buyer was considering his options as it still had wrx heads. My engine is a 2.1 stroker so no need for an sti lump also have brembos etc.
I ran up to 441hp with my wrx heads, this with a 2.5 forged bottom, with the right turbo they will flow more.
The sti heads are more aggressive but the wrx will make good power and spool-up.
Trev
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Originally Posted by trevsjwood
I ran up to 441hp with my wrx heads, this with a 2.5 forged bottom, with the right turbo they will flow more.
The sti heads are more aggressive but the wrx will make good power and spool-up.
Trev
Thankyou trev that's the sort of info I need.
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Originally Posted by the shreksta
why not just transplant a full sti 8 engine into your car-they are capable of taking 450 bhp+ in standard form and quite cheap aswell plus you can sell your old engine to recoup some cash back

buy a jdm wrx ecu and a avcs loom made by jt innovations

http://www.jti.uk.com/product/subaru-avcsvvt-loom/
If you want to go down this route, I have a JDM WRX ECU for sale PM me if you are interested.
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Originally Posted by trevsjwood
I ran up to 441hp with my wrx heads, this with a 2.5 forged bottom, with the right turbo they will flow more.
The sti heads are more aggressive but the wrx will make good power and spool-up.
Trev
Hi Trev

We run our big port JDM WRX(those has been with AVCS) heads at 490bhp on 2.1L without the issue and beyond that I wouldn't run them,without the swapping at least cams/springs and valves

Agree with right turbo they(WRX heads) can flow enough,but still I would swap them


Jura
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