erchie84

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Looking to get one of these for the odd trackday is there any difference or has anyone had experience of the cosworth or killer b plates apart from the price
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Bez300

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I have the Cosworth one in mine,
oil pressure always good, even on 1.5G long corners,
£150.00 + the VAT

Bez

RICHARD J

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Iv got a Cosworth one with no problems so far. Iv been told a competion sump is the ultimate solution but Iv no idea who does one or how much they cost.

rmaurer

I also have the Cosworth baffle plate as recommended to me by API when I mentioned I do the odd track day. Seemed like a no brainer for peace of mind when you compare the potential costs caused by oil starvation.

APIDavid

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I think they're a bit more than that now. Never seen or heard a "Killer B " one, we only use Cossie.

But it a brilliant bit of kit, wouldn't build a hard working engine without one these days

David APi

PS ah Ok just looked up the Killer B 'baffle' It isn't anything like the Cossie one and is just an ' improved ' windage tray which is the gizmo that stops the crank churning the oil into froth inside the sump. Not a baffle in the true sense and will not stop all the oil f/O-ing off into the N/s head on right hand bends.

erchie84

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David do you stock these?
Thanks for the replies guys appreciated

APIDavid

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Certainly do, Current Price £195.00 + VAT [ £234.00 inc ] Plus postage depending upon country, or postcode.

Too late to ship today, but can ship tomorrow for arrival most places in the UK Thursday.

Credit card payments have 2% added - debit card payments are at no added cost.

David

stevep360

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David, I spoke to rcm about their group n sump and they said I could still suffer from surge. Are you saying I will not suffer from surge on your sump?

APIDavid

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The only sure way to have no surge on any car is a dry sump system. But that costs heaps and has all sorts of drawbacks, even on proper competition cars.

I have had no instances of surge related failure using the Cossie baffles. What more can I say ?

The Prodrive Gp N sump system was something we used to copy and sell. But they are heaps of money and for the cost saving, the Cossie baffle seems to be a good option.

Not really a concrete yes or no answer, but the best I can hang my hat on.

David

stevep360

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Thanks David I have done a bit of research
Myself and am having a 2.35 built so just deciding on the best solution, from what I had read the cosworth sump baffle only really aids if you have a large volume sump. Is that correct?

APIDavid

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Nah, I wouldn't have thought so. lt stops the oil from moving away from the pickup pipe. Obviously the more oil there is, the longer it takes to get out to the heads - but as the baffle stops that happening it is sort of immaterial.

You'd do much better having a proper 15 row minimum oil cooler and remote oil filter set up.
Part of the 'secret ' for keeping them together is to keep the oil temps well below 110c which is getting critical.

David

stevep360

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Alan Jeffrey is building my engine so he will advise. Thx for your thoughts on this

mazmike

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use both cosworth baffle plate and rcm group n sump .sending all that money on a engine whats 575 pound

stevep360

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Don't think they both fit do they ???

APIDavid

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I don't think that there is reason why both cannot fit at the same time, But there'd be no point. One or the other is all that is necessary.

David

Stevesbluewrx

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I run a Cosworth Sump plate myself. No problems at all. Was a bit of a bum fitting but got there in the end.

I now have a Cosworth 12mm oil pump too which helps.


Steve

GORDON GT SERIES 11

here mate check this out from lateral
http://lateralperformance.co.uk/prod..._single_scroll

BlueBugEye

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What about the killer B oil pick up, is that a worthwhile investment?

APIDavid

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That's broadly the same sump and baffle plate that we all copied that originated at Prodrive. Good kit - no question. But for most applications the Cossie baffle plate is all that is necessary.

I've seen the Killer B pick up pipe. It might stop the pick up pipe breakages - true - but you'll be seriously slower lugging all that ironwork around.

Fitted carefully we haven't has a standard pick up pipe break on one of our rebuilds -------------------------------- yet.

David

stevep360

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So if you were building a 600 ish bhp engine with all supporting mods on syvecs that was a road car with a few track days a year would you still say a cossie plate suffices ?

APIDavid

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Yes, we have exactly that set up on Danny Clarks Vers 3 STi type R 2.1 stroker. 654 hp and a Cossie baffle and a proper oil cooler. Return to sump catch can and BIG breathers.

10.9 down the strip as a road car, complete with all trim glass and a 17 stone driver .....

mazmike

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the cosworth plate still has loads of gaps so oil will still surge at high speed .prodrive no what they are doing ,they made the sump to help. its not put in there for show .use the cosworth plate for back up .you say you are only doing 1 or 2 trackdays a year .it only takes one long bend .or fit a dry sump a just priced one up £4000

stevep360

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Drag is different to track tho

stevep360

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Mike. I know. I am just seeing what David's thoughts are

APIDavid

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There is still viscious surge on a strip car. As all the oil tends to move back away from the pickup pipe.

We all have our opinions of what is what.

I am stating the way we do it and recommend for 'normal' use and occasional track days and fun. It works.

My first comment was; if you are serious, nowt but a dry sump set up is a cure.

Getting bored with the to-ing and froing. I shan't be back.

David

stevep360

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David I ain't being arsey I am just looking for an experts view. I thought the issue with oil surge was oil escaping away from the sump on long right handers

ianbott

But that is exactly what the cosworth sump baffle does. Prevents it from leaving the sump. The rubber flaps are strong enough to hold oil in the sump but weak enough to allow the oil to flow back to the sump.

stevep360

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see post 22 mate.

ianbott

Yeah i saw that and i have one of the cosworth plates for my sump, the holes aren't exactly massive though so it will make a massive difference