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Old 09 March 2012, 08:32 PM
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Which cats can i de-cat without it affecting the MOT ? 2002 bugeye turbo.
Old 09 March 2012, 08:33 PM
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Mine has had the uppipe cat and mid pipe cat removed. Down pipe cat still in situ and it passed the mot
Old 09 March 2012, 09:00 PM
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It depends how familiar the MOT tester is with the cars original spec. If they know nowt then you can remove all apart from a sports cat downpipe, but if theyre on the ball then removing any of the (potentially) three cats will be a fail, even if it passes the emmissions test.
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Remove all and find the right tester
Old 09 March 2012, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GC8
It depends how familiar the MOT tester is with the cars original spec. If they know nowt then you can remove all apart from a sports cat downpipe, but if theyre on the ball then removing any of the (potentially) three cats will be a fail, even if it passes the emmissions test.
Well he cant see the up pipe cat because of the undertray so that one should be ok i hope.
Old 09 March 2012, 09:46 PM
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I will get a de cat up pipe and second de-cat for now then. MOT isnt till end of October anyway. I wouldnt mind having to refit the 2nd cat for the MOT to be honest, just didnt want to have to change the whole lot. Cheers.
Old 09 March 2012, 09:47 PM
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I would say all except the down pipe. The advantage of keeping the down pipe cat is it will get hot quickly so start working sooner for the emissions test. I have only a 100 cell sport cat in the down pipe and have never had MOT issues.
Old 09 March 2012, 09:59 PM
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Found 2 up pipes. 2inch and 2.5. Do i need the 2.5 inch de-cat up pipe ?
Old 10 March 2012, 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by madmarx
I will get a de cat up pipe and second de-cat for now then. MOT isnt till end of October anyway. I wouldnt mind having to refit the 2nd cat for the MOT to be honest, just didnt want to have to change the whole lot. Cheers.

y dont u just get a full decat system then put ur old system back on for mot ... cost around £20 for a local garage to swap ehausts over ... job done
Old 10 March 2012, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by AN07 PTN
y dont u just get a full decat system then put ur old system back on for mot ... cost around £20 for a local garage to swap ehausts over ... job done
Going from threads about removing / getting access to the uppipe on here, I don't think you would want to remove it on an annual basis . That approach would be easier with a cat back (mid pipe cat) exhaust but to be honest not many people could be bothered with the hassle of having to change it every year - I know I couldn't
Old 10 March 2012, 08:00 AM
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i got a decat up pipe prodrive sports cat down pipe decat 2nd de resonated pipe and cobra back box and it flew through the m o t no problems
Old 10 March 2012, 09:03 AM
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Obv I would change the up pipe at the start but at mot time just change from turbo back for mot....
Old 10 March 2012, 09:29 AM
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De-cat the up-pipe and you will need to work around having a missing EGT sensor.........(presuming it's a WRX bug).

Shaun
Old 10 March 2012, 09:33 AM
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Surely it will need a map after removing cats anyway so will a map not solve EGT problem????
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You can de-cat the Bug WRX without a re-map as the ECU sorts out fuelling etc and the TD04 doesn't overboost as it is too small.

Makes a bit more noise and spools a little earlier though LOL


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Old 10 March 2012, 02:06 PM
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Regards up pipe dia, I would go with a standard sti one not aftermarket.
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Originally Posted by daz1968
Regards up pipe dia, I would go with a standard sti one not aftermarket.
What diameter is the de cat up pipe on a Sti ?
Old 10 March 2012, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Midlife......
De-cat the up-pipe and you will need to work around having a missing EGT sensor.........(presuming it's a WRX bug).

Shaun
The up pipes i have seen have two threaded tappings. Is that where the EGT goes ? Is it because it is a straight through pipe the EGT wont work ? Can you buy or make device that goes in the multi plug to trick it ? Eg, resistor etc ?
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Originally Posted by madmarx
The up pipes i have seen have two threaded tappings. Is that where the EGT goes ? Is it because it is a straight through pipe the EGT wont work ? Can you buy or make device that goes in the multi plug to trick it ? Eg, resistor etc ?
I have the STi item in mine. In order to cancel out the EML light (because the EGT is removed) you need a 2.2kw resistor that bridges the gap in the EGT connector (in front of the drivers side suspension turret) - this does the trick
Old 10 March 2012, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by petethemeat
I have the STi item in mine. In order to cancel out the EML light (because the EGT is removed) you need a 2.2kw resistor that bridges the gap in the EGT connector (in front of the drivers side suspension turret) - this does the trick
Thanks mate. Theres always a way. What diameter is your up pipe ? 2 or 2.5 inch ? I have seen both sizes for sale.
Old 10 March 2012, 07:56 PM
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Good news. I looked under the car today and the 2nd cat has the de cat pipe already fitted. So all i need is the de cat up pipe. Looks a fiddly job with limited space.
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Think im going to get this one. It has a port for the EGT.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUBARU-IMP...item35ac9ed039
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Originally Posted by madmarx
Thanks mate. Theres always a way. What diameter is your up pipe ? 2 or 2.5 inch ? I have seen both sizes for sale.
I don't know for sure as it came with the car , I would assume 2.5 though as its an sti item.

The one on your link looks a decent price however I wonder what the fit etc is like ? I have read that people remove the up pipe cat due to potential disintegration and knackering the turbo but I have also heard this about the egt probe so if you are keeping it then I would check this out, however if could just be people scaremongering.

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Old 10 March 2012, 09:36 PM
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Thanks for that Pete. Basically anything before the turbo is a damage threat so i understand the fragmentation damage issue. So the safest way is de cat and no EGT sensor meaning no breakaway parts between engine and turbo. Simplzzz.
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Sorry to wade in with something random but I remember seeing a post on here suggesting that decatting the up pipe (I think it was this one) could lead to the build up of noxious gases within the cockpit?

Bit worried about doing mine now due to having a 15month old daughter who sometimes gets ferried about in my Bugeye.

Is there anything behind this logic?

cheers

Jai
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Originally Posted by SinghSuperStud
Sorry to wade in with something random but I remember seeing a post on here suggesting that decatting the up pipe (I think it was this one) could lead to the build up of noxious gases within the cockpit?

Bit worried about doing mine now due to having a 15month old daughter who sometimes gets ferried about in my Bugeye.

Is there anything behind this logic?

cheers

Jai
Only way to have gases in the cockpit is to have a leaking exhaust. The exhaust should be sealed till the backbox exit.

Send me a link to them gauges.
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Originally Posted by madmarx
Only way to have gases in the cockpit is to have a leaking exhaust. The exhaust should be sealed till the backbox exit.

Send me a link to them gauges.
The ones I'm selling?
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Originally Posted by SinghSuperStud
The ones I'm selling?
Yeah.
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Originally Posted by madmarx
Yeah.
PM sent bud
Old 11 March 2012, 07:15 PM
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I wouldn't touch one of those flexi joint ones. Either get a newage sti or any classic up pipe and fit that and use a resistor to fool the ecu regards egt sensor. If you want to splash out then get a Harvey up pipe. A lot of the cheap ones are far to big on the bore and actually decrease exhaust gas speed and increase spool time.


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