Notices

Lightweight crank pulley - pros and cons?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 18 December 2010, 09:43 PM
  #1  
eggy790
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (20)
 
eggy790's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: n/a
Posts: 5,304
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Lightweight crank pulley - pros and cons?

hi guys

looking at aztek performances crank pulley.. but was wondering if their are any negative effects of these? as i heard some can ruin your engine etc.?

is that referring to the same style of pulley or a different sort?

read mixed stuff on it, so dont want it to mess the car up of i change it. suppose to be a nice lil performance mod aswell as looking loads better.

cheers

http://www.superhids.co.uk/lightweig...i-uk-jdm-.html

Last edited by eggy790; 18 December 2010 at 10:26 PM.
Old 18 December 2010, 09:47 PM
  #2  
prodriverules
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (52)
 
prodriverules's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: C+K MOTORS
Posts: 11,769
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

No con's all pro's mate,looks the nuts and helps to lift rotational mass off the crank[weight]
Old 18 December 2010, 09:51 PM
  #3  
eggy790
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (20)
 
eggy790's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: n/a
Posts: 5,304
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

serious? so what is this underdriven stuff i keep seeing pop here and there when i search crank pulley?
Old 18 December 2010, 10:00 PM
  #4  
prodriverules
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (52)
 
prodriverules's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: C+K MOTORS
Posts: 11,769
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

If you brought a cheap one then it may not be machined to well and put the crank out of balance but by **** it would have to be bad when you compare it to the weight of the flywheel clutch assembly bolted to the other end of the crank and that doesn't effect things unless really out of balance.
I have a light weight flywheel and crank pulley and it doesn't half allow the motor to rev more freely
Old 18 December 2010, 10:07 PM
  #5  
Wagon Gaz
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (18)
 
Wagon Gaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Leeds
Posts: 1,006
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

CDF set on mine no probs and as has been said removes a load of roational mass
Old 18 December 2010, 10:18 PM
  #6  
eggy790
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (20)
 
eggy790's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: n/a
Posts: 5,304
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

cool anyone on here using one of bobs?
Old 18 December 2010, 10:21 PM
  #7  
alcazar
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
alcazar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Rl'yeh
Posts: 40,781
Received 27 Likes on 25 Posts
Default

Got CDF on mine, underdriven, means they are smaller, so a shorter belt.
The whole lot moves more slowly.

Trending Topics

Old 18 December 2010, 10:23 PM
  #8  
eggy790
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (20)
 
eggy790's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: n/a
Posts: 5,304
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

ok cool, so as long as i go with a reputable company, they are no cons really? just on badly machines ones.
Old 18 December 2010, 10:23 PM
  #9  
prodriverules
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (52)
 
prodriverules's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: C+K MOTORS
Posts: 11,769
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by alcazar
Got CDF on mine, underdriven, means they are smaller, so a shorter belt.
The whole lot moves more slowly.
Shorter would be faster not slower
Old 18 December 2010, 10:35 PM
  #10  
Wagon Gaz
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (18)
 
Wagon Gaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Leeds
Posts: 1,006
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by eggy790
ok cool, so as long as i go with a reputable company, they are no cons really? just on badly machines ones.
On my Hawk with the fly by wire throttle, it had a tendancy to want to stall at junctions but not since the pulley swap, bit of a chew getting the old off but otherwise
Old 18 December 2010, 10:35 PM
  #11  
Cannon Fodder
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (100)
 
Cannon Fodder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 13,684
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I have a set of 4 CDF lightweight pulleys on my Spec C, I thought they were all made to standard size?

BTW it's one of the best mods you can do, it really allows the engine revs to pick up quicker.
Old 18 December 2010, 10:41 PM
  #12  
Wagon Gaz
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (18)
 
Wagon Gaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Leeds
Posts: 1,006
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Cannon Fodder
I have a set of 4 CDF lightweight pulleys on my Spec C, I thought they were all made to standard size?

BTW it's one of the best mods you can do, it really allows the engine revs to pick up quicker.

CDF ones are standard size just lighter, I believe you can get smaller underdriven ones but there are some probs with these.
Old 18 December 2010, 10:44 PM
  #13  
eggy790
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (20)
 
eggy790's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: n/a
Posts: 5,304
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

ok i'll stick with the standard size one.. would i need the full set? heard the performance gain is from the crank pulley? azteks is 510 gramms, how much does the cdf one weigh?
Old 18 December 2010, 10:48 PM
  #14  
Wagon Gaz
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (18)
 
Wagon Gaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Leeds
Posts: 1,006
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by eggy790
ok i'll stick with the standard size one.. would i need the full set? heard the performance gain is from the crank pulley? azteks is 510 gramms, how much does the cdf one weigh?
If you look on here when CDF had a group buy on these, I am sure Chris gave the weights.
Old 18 December 2010, 10:49 PM
  #15  
Wagon Gaz
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (18)
 
Wagon Gaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Leeds
Posts: 1,006
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

When you take the crank pulley off its a monster its well heavy.
Old 19 December 2010, 05:41 AM
  #16  
Scooby329
Scooby Newbie
 
Scooby329's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Launching from standstill needs more revs with lightweight crank pulley.
Old 19 December 2010, 11:27 AM
  #17  
CDF Racing
Former Sponsor
iTrader: (49)
 
CDF Racing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 3,222
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Guys,
I can't stress enough to keep away from those cheap ones on ebay (not ours of course ) Go for a decent set it's not worth the risk to your engine,.

Buy from a reputable dealer .... there are people that have brought our pulleys and tried coping them,.. beware
Old 19 December 2010, 11:45 AM
  #18  
Wagon Gaz
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (18)
 
Wagon Gaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Leeds
Posts: 1,006
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Scooby329
Launching from standstill needs more revs with lightweight crank pulley.
It certainly dont seem that way with my setup, with less weight on the end of the crank it revs much freer.
Old 19 December 2010, 12:14 PM
  #19  
alcazar
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
alcazar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Rl'yeh
Posts: 40,781
Received 27 Likes on 25 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by prodriverules
Shorter would be faster not slower
I see......so when I drop into the smaller chainwheel, the others go faster?
Old 19 December 2010, 01:35 PM
  #20  
JohnD
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (5)
 
JohnD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Havering, Essex
Posts: 6,252
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by prodriverules
Shorter would be faster not slower
The crank pully will rotate at the same revs irrespective of the diameter - it's bolted to the crankshaft! A smaller crank pully will turn the other pullies slower


JohnD
Old 19 December 2010, 02:31 PM
  #21  
crazyspeedfreakz
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (92)
 
crazyspeedfreakz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Surrey
Posts: 6,248
Received 42 Likes on 32 Posts
Default

sorry to hijack the thread but just bought a 4 peice pulley kit from chris at cdf yesterday and was hoping if any of you guys could tell me how hard it is going to b to remove the oe pulleys or if im gonna need any specialist tools to remove from a 95 wrx ... thanks
Old 19 December 2010, 03:09 PM
  #22  
prodriverules
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (52)
 
prodriverules's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: C+K MOTORS
Posts: 11,769
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by alcazar
I see......so when I drop into the smaller chainwheel, the others go faster?
Originally Posted by JohnD
The crank pully will rotate at the same revs irrespective of the diameter - it's bolted to the crankshaft! A smaller crank pully will turn the other pullies slower


JohnD
My bad,on the pop last night
Old 19 December 2010, 03:50 PM
  #23  
Wagon Gaz
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (18)
 
Wagon Gaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Leeds
Posts: 1,006
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by crazyspeedfreakz
sorry to hijack the thread but just bought a 4 peice pulley kit from chris at cdf yesterday and was hoping if any of you guys could tell me how hard it is going to b to remove the oe pulleys or if im gonna need any specialist tools to remove from a 95 wrx ... thanks
The main crank pulley nut is tricky long breaker bar needed and someone to stand on the brakes with the car in a high gear. To be honest for me the alternator one was the worst, ended up cutting it off
Old 19 December 2010, 04:00 PM
  #24  
crazyspeedfreakz
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (92)
 
crazyspeedfreakz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Surrey
Posts: 6,248
Received 42 Likes on 32 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Wagon Gaz
The main crank pulley nut is tricky long breaker bar needed and someone to stand on the brakes with the car in a high gear. To be honest for me the alternator one was the worst, ended up cutting it off
errmm small problem then as the engine is currently on a engine stand
in the garage ... sounds like im gonna have as much fun takin off the pulleys as i did trying to remove the down pipe from the turbo and that took some time hmmm what to do ?
Old 19 December 2010, 04:16 PM
  #25  
Scooby329
Scooby Newbie
 
Scooby329's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Scooby329
Launching from standstill needs more revs with lightweight crank pulley.
Originally Posted by Wagon Gaz
It certainly dont seem that way with my setup, with less weight on the end of the crank it revs much freer.
I need maybe 500-1000rpm more now,when launching car sidestepping clutch.
But i have ej207 and you may have ej257
Old 19 December 2010, 05:24 PM
  #26  
harvey
Former Sponsor
iTrader: (48)
 
harvey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Darlington
Posts: 10,419
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Eggy: I have run underdriven lightweight and OE size lightweight (from CDF) and I can tell you there is no measurable difference in your quarter mile time or 0-100 time with running these lightweight pullies but they do look nice and they do take around 2.5kg off the weight of your car. The underdriven will be a miniscule amount less drag on the engine.
When stood still and you blip the throttle the engine will rev that bit quicker because there is less inertia just in the same way that a lightweight flywheel allows the engine to rev freer under no load when the throttle is blipped.
Underdriven crank ie. smaller diameter may require a smaller belt depending how much underdriven they are but don't believe any stories about the alternator not putting out enough power. In any case, the power steering and alternator pulley diameter is often reduced to compensate.
Chris at CDF does OE size and in addition to the lightweight pulleys he can also do the lightweight idler.
Old 19 December 2010, 05:26 PM
  #27  
harvey
Former Sponsor
iTrader: (48)
 
harvey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Darlington
Posts: 10,419
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

I need maybe 500-1000rpm more now,when launching car sidestepping clutch.
If you are using 500-1000 rpm more when launching and attributing this to lightweight pulleys I suggest you have a rethink. Did you replace the flywheel at the same time?
Old 19 December 2010, 06:11 PM
  #28  
bigarf
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (67)
 
bigarf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: w,yorkshire
Posts: 4,061
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Scooby329
I need maybe 500-1000rpm more now,when launching car sidestepping clutch.
But i have ej207 and you may have ej257
Old 19 December 2010, 07:05 PM
  #29  
Scooby329
Scooby Newbie
 
Scooby329's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by harvey
If you are using 500-1000 rpm more when launching and attributing this to lightweight pulleys I suggest you have a rethink. Did you replace the flywheel at the same time?
All i know,is that after i replaced crank pulley(1.7kg lighter than stock),car stumps easier,when launching.But i am not pro with these things.Stock flywheel.

Originally Posted by bigarf
I have launched ej257 couple of times..easier with more torque.And car had grippier tires than mine.

Last edited by Scooby329; 19 December 2010 at 07:38 PM. Reason: My bad english.
Old 20 December 2010, 07:23 PM
  #30  
harvey
Former Sponsor
iTrader: (48)
 
harvey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Darlington
Posts: 10,419
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

O/E crank 2.54 kg. O/E P.S. .37kg. O/E Alternator .17kg. Total = 3.08kg.
CDF Alloy pulley set 0.720....0.235....0.055kg. Total = 1.01kg. Saving over O/E = 2.07kg.
Under driven aluminium : 0.310...0.150...0.060... Total = 0.520. Saving on O/E = 2.56kg.


Quick Reply: Lightweight crank pulley - pros and cons?



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:59 PM.