whats the crack on chips
30 August 2009, 05:35 PM
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whats the crack on chips
i have a v2 sti ra with a 7k ecu. im looking to up the performane a little but cant afford a full bespoke remap at the moment. ive seen the corstar stage 3 chips on ebay for £95. has any one tried these, will they fit my ecu. 
30 August 2009, 05:53 PM
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30 August 2009, 05:59 PM
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the magical stage 3 chip listed on ebay will no achieve the gains stated, and will 100% be the same as the stage2 chip will then be in turn a copy of a prodrive map with the timing pulled the boost turned up a bit and no fuelling adjustments, if you ask the seller if it will x,y,z they just say, yeah it`ll work great mate!
30 August 2009, 06:20 PM
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i thought as much, so whats a esl daughter board and what the price on them? ive seen a few threds about polar performance chips are they recomended? i thought the chip would do the fuel / timing and every thing, just a plug and play item.
30 August 2009, 06:32 PM
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30 August 2009, 06:35 PM
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The ESL daughter board is available from PP, see here:
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Or at JGM here:
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30 August 2009, 07:35 PM
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Very rare 2nd hand 'ESL Live'-equipped ECU on eBay at the mo (they hardly ever pop up):-
Subaru Impreza wrx/sti ESL daughter board chipped ecu!! on eBay (end time 07-Sep-09 16:53:21 BST)
If you were to offer £300 and win it; flog the supplied 440s on for at least £60; and get the exisitng map tweaked for your motor for around £150, then you will have only spent a net amount of c.£390 or so - a decent saving over buying ESL Live/1st map new...
Subaru Impreza wrx/sti ESL daughter board chipped ecu!! on eBay (end time 07-Sep-09 16:53:21 BST)
If you were to offer £300 and win it; flog the supplied 440s on for at least £60; and get the exisitng map tweaked for your motor for around £150, then you will have only spent a net amount of c.£390 or so - a decent saving over buying ESL Live/1st map new...
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30 August 2009, 08:05 PM
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i would need the 440s as the ra is on the standard 380s, ill have to give that a miss at the moment and get saving up. what sort of power gains do you get from the pp chip? i like the idea of the pp it looks a nice touch and fairly easy mod as well as some bigger injectors of corse.
30 August 2009, 09:29 PM
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Well, the crappy little TMIC wouldn't allow much more than 280, so 440s not needed - 380s would do it. However, if you were to fit the 440s and then remap, then you might get 290-310(?) oiut of the TM.
But you're right; with a decat and the PP chip, you'll get a possible 280 anyway, and it should be safe enough for the motor. So may as well do that - the most cost-effective bhp/£ 1st stage.
But you're right; with a decat and the PP chip, you'll get a possible 280 anyway, and it should be safe enough for the motor. So may as well do that - the most cost-effective bhp/£ 1st stage.
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30 August 2009, 10:07 PM
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Well, the crappy little TMIC wouldn't allow much more than 280, so 440s not needed - 380's would do it. If you were to fit the 440's and then remap, then you might get 290-310 oiut of the TM(?).
But you're right; with a decat and the PP chip, you'll get up to 280 anyway, and it should be safe enough for the motor. So may as well do that - the cheapest possible bhp/£ 1st stage.
But you're right; with a decat and the PP chip, you'll get up to 280 anyway, and it should be safe enough for the motor. So may as well do that - the cheapest possible bhp/£ 1st stage.
30 August 2009, 11:03 PM
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salt and vinegar on mine to and plenty of it to. ive tried a huge (over size) modified new age intercooler and it rubbed on the bulk head, so then i tried a v3 sti type the one with the pipe coming out the ns front and that dont fit because of the idle control valve is in the way. i was toying with the front mount idea but i dont want to cut my inner wing and im led to belive it will be laggy on spool up so im stuck with my tiny weeny slanty. my missus is happy with what ive got tho, she say size doesnt matter it what you do with it 
30 August 2009, 11:21 PM
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No!
DO go FMIC!!! (seeing as you've already considered it!)... You'll open up a whole new world of possibilities for yourself.
As for the lag issue, it'll be minimal... if at all. But it's worth it regardless, as the dfference between the little v.1/2 TMIC and any FMIC is really night and day!
If you were to get a FM; 550s (or poss. 440s?) ; all the other appropriate mods/remap, you could be happily enjoying a very safe <350bhp! ;-D
Go on, your missus will get off on it... :-D
DO go FMIC!!! (seeing as you've already considered it!)... You'll open up a whole new world of possibilities for yourself.
As for the lag issue, it'll be minimal... if at all. But it's worth it regardless, as the dfference between the little v.1/2 TMIC and any FMIC is really night and day!
If you were to get a FM; 550s (or poss. 440s?) ; all the other appropriate mods/remap, you could be happily enjoying a very safe <350bhp! ;-D
Go on, your missus will get off on it... :-D
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30 August 2009, 11:34 PM
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bugger, i did have a front mount off a car i broke for spares and i sold it 
all because i didnt want to cut my inner wing. i wanted to keep my car original so i could put it back to standard when i sell it on. to contradict that i tell my mates ill never sell my car ill always keep it, ive got bigger problems than i thought 
front mount it is then, if im gonna keep it it will be ok to cut holes in it and if the missus will get off on it 
all because i didnt want to cut my inner wing. i wanted to keep my car original so i could put it back to standard when i sell it on. to contradict that i tell my mates ill never sell my car ill always keep it, ive got bigger problems than i thought front mount it is then, if im gonna keep it it will be ok to cut holes in it and if the missus will get off on it
30 August 2009, 11:58 PM
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Well, unless you've got an extremely clean, std. Type RA and/or it's a 555 Ltd. Edn. - in which case perhaps it would be nice to keep it that way - then don't let the thought of cutting holes in the wing, etc. stop you from getting a FM!
At the end of the day if you do sell it, chances are the prospective buyer will be a fellow enthusiast and he will be more than happy that it has the FMIC, etc, as HE won't have to spend out on doing it for himself, etc.! He can just jump straight into a sorted, safely mapped 300+bhp lightweight Impreza and drive off into the sunset...!
Put it this way, it should attract just as many buyers as it would if it was std i.e. buyers from two differing 'camps' (if you see what I mean). So I wouldn't let 'chopping' it about a bit necessarily put you off...
At the end of the day if you do sell it, chances are the prospective buyer will be a fellow enthusiast and he will be more than happy that it has the FMIC, etc, as HE won't have to spend out on doing it for himself, etc.! He can just jump straight into a sorted, safely mapped 300+bhp lightweight Impreza and drive off into the sunset...!
Put it this way, it should attract just as many buyers as it would if it was std i.e. buyers from two differing 'camps' (if you see what I mean). So I wouldn't let 'chopping' it about a bit necessarily put you off...
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31 August 2009, 12:18 AM
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i must admit its clean and pritty much as it come from japan, like i say im gonna keep it for a long time, if i decide to get another car ill just put it in the garage, i wont sell it. its mine till i die. out with the hole saw and in with the front mount. it will hurt me tho cutting holes in it. im going crazy 
31 August 2009, 12:44 AM
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scoobyclinic are selling a secondhand front mount on ebay that looks a bit tatty but it got silicone hoses and a slightly smaller ic. i dont think ill have to cut the bumper but ill keep the strenth at the front end. item no 220471616307
31 August 2009, 01:01 AM
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The 'one' to get brand new is the new Hybrid GT Spec2 (available from harvey, for £350 I think).
APS though is a pukka make, and if you were to snare this for less than that, then fair enough. What I like about it is the long core, thus hiding the endtanks away behind the bumper.
Better mention though, it's for a MY99/00 as mentioned in the ad, so may leave you with some serious... or not so serious... cutting/repositioning/welding of the pipework. Whereas, the Hybrid GT Spec2 has all but been perfected to fit perfectly, as there's a kit available specifically for the early MY93-96 cars...
APS though is a pukka make, and if you were to snare this for less than that, then fair enough. What I like about it is the long core, thus hiding the endtanks away behind the bumper.
Better mention though, it's for a MY99/00 as mentioned in the ad, so may leave you with some serious... or not so serious... cutting/repositioning/welding of the pipework. Whereas, the Hybrid GT Spec2 has all but been perfected to fit perfectly, as there's a kit available specifically for the early MY93-96 cars...
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31 August 2009, 01:06 AM
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hmm the plot thickens, ill have to get one one way or another. i dont like the way they have spray painted it on the box behind it. that wont help cool the core.
the plot thickens, ill have to get one one way or another. i dont like the way they have spray painted it on the box behind it. that wont help cool the core.
31 August 2009, 10:00 AM
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Very rare 2nd hand 'ESL Live'-equipped ECU on eBay at the mo (they hardly ever pop up):-
Subaru Impreza wrx/sti ESL daughter board chipped ecu!! on eBay (end time 07-Sep-09 16:53:21 BST)
If you were to offer £300 and win it; flog the supplied 440s on for at least £60; and get the exisitng map tweaked for your motor for around £150, then you will have only spent a net amount of c.£390 or so - a decent saving over buying ESL Live/1st map new...
Subaru Impreza wrx/sti ESL daughter board chipped ecu!! on eBay (end time 07-Sep-09 16:53:21 BST)
If you were to offer £300 and win it; flog the supplied 440s on for at least £60; and get the exisitng map tweaked for your motor for around £150, then you will have only spent a net amount of c.£390 or so - a decent saving over buying ESL Live/1st map new...
The live board is different and does not use the same PGA devices.
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