Ilya

My car is a 06 JDM Spec C and I'm looking for an aftermarket TMIC. I really liked the look of the APS unit, but can't decide which one of the two I need. APS make two TMICs, one for 03> models with cable throttle and one for 06> with drive be wire throttle, so considering my car is an 06 I should go for the second one, but as far as I could find JDM cars do not have drive-by-wire, so which one is for my car? any help much appreciated, thx...

INTERCOOLER ASSEMBLY
2003: 995-041-100
2006: 995-041-600 (drive-by-wire)

F1 CJE UK

iTrader: (8)

what power are you going for ???? sti TMIC is as good as any aftermarket one ? if you need to change it for power reasons then FMIC is the way to go

mattwrxCS

iTrader: (1)

Drive by wire will have a motor driven throttle, pop the bonnet and take a look

( on most cars anyway )

rickya

iTrader: (18)

Standard intercooler is good for over 400bhp.

But I have this APS on my Spec C

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Your car is drive by wire, all MY06 cars onwards were, including JDM's
And you dont need to change your intercooler, they are far better than the earlier designs and capable as already stated, of over 400bhp (along with the air intake), so dont throw your cash away, put it to some ARB's or the likes

Tony

Ilya

at the end of the day I aim at 400+hp, so I suppose without going for a FMIC this APS will do a better job than original STI unit, although I agree that stock unit is a good cooler for sure...

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Litchfield run their 415bhp type 25's on the standard intercooler

Tony

Ilya

true, but they initialy were making it look as stock as possible,
it's just that in my logic a larger cooler will allow for a greater cooling capacity and therefore better do its job, I'm no pro, but from everything I heard here it is.
so you're saying there is no point in this upgrade? what if for example I was aiming at 430-450 hp, would this be worth the money?

cheers for help...

rickya

iTrader: (18)

There are far better ways to improve your Scooby. Its not worth the expense IMO. I only have it as previous owner fitted it for some unkonwn reason!! Probably got roped into it by some over pushy sales person!

MrRA

Hyperflow TMIC is probably the best TMIC you can get.

Ricky, your TMIC doesn't look like an APS item to me, more like the Hyperflow, unless you've had it polished that way.

rickya

iTrader: (18)

Oh yeah sorry to many glasses of wine while on laptop!!!
Its a Hyperflow, its even in my profile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Robocop

The 06 Spec C is still operated by a good old cable set up as seen below.

GavinE

Efficiency. Bigger isn't always better.

F1 CJE UK

iTrader: (8)

That’s what she tells you , I agree tho the sti cooler is made to be used with the scoop and under tray fitting a bigger unit with a standard scoop and tray is not going to gain much if anything.

KK3960

iTrader: (21)

Hyperflow is/was the biggest area top mount on the market, I did a bit of research before buying it over the APS one. Not cheap but very well engineered and developed ive seen 440HP made on one of these units without the hassle of a front mount fitment, depends on what power your aiming to acheive?

HyperFlow Technologies

Subaru WRX Top Mount Intercooler (TMIC)<br>01-05 & 06-07 WRX/STi TMIC Kit 2.0l [HYTM-MY04V2K] - £583.41 : AET ENGINEERING - AETTURBOSONLINE

wolfie28

My advice - stick with the standard unit and spend the money else where. Your standard TMIC is a great unit capable of 400bhp. If you planning to go over 400-420bhp then a quality (not fleabay ones) FMIC is the way to go.

Wolfie.

KK3960

iTrader: (21)

I think your referring to "Hybrid" Intercoolers which can be bought on fleabay. Hyperflow can only be purchased via authorised UK stockists such as AET Turbos.

scoobytyson

I would keep the original or go for a decent FMIC, i changed mine to a Perrin fmic and am running around 430bhp on my spec c

wolfie28

Sorry no. Most of the ones on fleabay are copies of known makers of fmic's. Hybrid fmic's offer very good value for money. There are (or were) a couple of group buys here on Scoobynet for hybrid fmic's from trusted scooby independant specialists.

I know you pay for what you get but some are over priced just because of the name. Apart from extremely modded cars they offer no noticeable difference in performance.

A Rolex is a watch and tells the time but so does a Casio. Its all about how much money and how happy you are spending your hard earned cash at the end of the day.

rickya

iTrader: (18)

Not entirely scientific but a std spec c from Litchfield is usually Uk fuel mapped to 310 to 320 bhp max. My Litchfield Spec C, absoloute std apart from blitz backbox & Hyperflow TMIC made 328bhp. Rolling Road garage (Surrey Rolling Road) thought this higher than excpected figure was due to Hyperflow TMIC. Though as I say this is speculative & not hard evidence to support. When I bought the car Tim from Litchfield estimated it would push out approx 330 bhp with Hyperflow TMIC, not a bad guesstimate!

MrRA

True, but when your out and say stood at a bar and someone asks the time and you peel back your cuff to reveal your watch you then end up looking like a 9 year old when you show your crap, black plastic £10 Casio.

If you truly believe in this why did you buy an Impreza when a Lada will just as easily get you about.

Ilya

I've already invested in a few things on my car and it made 343horsies on powerstation dyno, but as I say I'm planning to go beyond 400, how much more depends on my wallet, but I am still not persuaded that stock STI cooler is better or equal to a Hyperflow or APS units... simply can't be... front mount is not an option for me, so a larger top mount must be the only way

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Why cant it be?
Subaru develope these cars, that stock intercooler has more than enough praise from tuning companies and mappers, its a proven bit of kit, and there are enough 400+bhp cars out there that run more than happily with them on.

Tony

rickya

iTrader: (18)

IMO its more an issue of cost vs gains from mod.
There would be so many better ways to spend £700 in terms of bhp gains or chasis / braking improvments etc than spending upgrading the intercooler on your car.

Ilya

and what if i can get one for say 200-300 pounds I wouldn't pay 700, but considering I can get hold of one for less than half price makes me want it...

and i checked - 06 spec c has a cable throttle, so I'd need the earlier APS cooler for 03> cars...

wolfie28

Oh thats so true . Stupid crap Casio .

Note to self 1- Must get a Rolex just in case a total stanger in a bar asks me the time and I don't feel like a 9 year old with my crap Casio .

Note to self 2 - Must trade Impreza in for a Lada next week just in case another total stranger asks me why do I own an Impreza when a Lada will do .

Sorry to go off topic.

Ilya

does this photo mean that TM for DBW throttle will fit a cable throttle car,
considering the part No of the unit here is 995 045 500 / 600 ???

KK3960

iTrader: (21)

Errm sorry did I actually mention that the Hybrid IC's were Sub-standard? Let alone the "FMIC's??" Wasnt the subject top mounts?? Harvey has been selling the Hybrids since Circa 2004 and agreed I have not heard any negative comments either. It was yourself that reffered to "lesser fleabay ones", i merely remarked that the Hybrids can be purchased on fleabay and you may have been confused between the Hyperflow and the Hybrid!!

Ilya I am no way against APS products, infact I run an APS CAIK and a £1200 3.5" full APS decat exhaust but if you are looking for the largest TMIC on the market then unfortunately there is no other product available that matches the Hyperflows TMIC surface area without going front mount. Yes I agree the standard STi Top Mount is a great piece of kit but lets see how many people running +400 HP or there abouts are actually using stock STi top mounts!! As i said its down to your own personal power expectations.

JB1

Ring Chevron Motorsport of Staffod and ask about their top mount intercoolers, ask for Simon. They use some serious core internals, and the current one they sell is more efficient than a front mount.
If you are after an unbiased second opinion call Richard at Tractive and ask him about them too.
They are only slightly larger than the std one, but the core is that efficient there is no additional lag, and intake temp is that low you can run massive amounts of ignition advance.
Be warned though, they are expensive!

Ilya

sounds interesting, how expensive though? is it a custom job or do they make a number of them for sale? any pics on the net?