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Old 26 February 2008, 12:04 PM
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Does anyone know where i can get one of these for a Newage?
Old 26 February 2008, 02:01 PM
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Is this what i need?

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For a TD05/18g.
Old 26 February 2008, 02:12 PM
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looks wrong to me... the dump valve fitting does not look anything like that on a newish impreza.

The fitting is a triangle shape with quite a long base and only two screw holes.
Old 26 February 2008, 02:14 PM
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You need a plate that looks something like the base of this ebay special: SUBARU IMPREZA WRX / STI DUMP VALVE BOV 2001 - 2005 on eBay, also Engine Tuning Parts, Performance Tuning Parts, Car Tuning Styling, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 01-Mar-08 20:02:27 GMT)
Old 26 February 2008, 06:55 PM
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use your original dv as a template and get a local engineering company to make you one out of a piece of aluminium bolt it on with a new gasket and job done.
Old 26 February 2008, 07:30 PM
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I might have one of these going spare, will check the garage tonight.
Old 28 February 2008, 12:54 PM
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Anyone know if either of these would fit????

Old 28 February 2008, 01:11 PM
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can someone please explain y this would be a good idea? and what side effects there are?
Old 28 February 2008, 01:20 PM
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IIRC, it will only work with TD range of turbo's as the VF series aren't strong enough to cope with the stress this puts the components under.. the result, if I'm right, is lots of loud "chatter" when you lift off as the air is forced back through the blades of the turbo.

Sounds very cool... and I'm a bit unhappy that my stock Hawkeye STi VF turbo wont be up to the job, cause I love that sound.


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Old 28 February 2008, 01:25 PM
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sounds like its over pressuring the turbo? wont it shorten the life oh the td's though?
Old 28 February 2008, 01:28 PM
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Yea, I agree that it probably will shorten the life of the turbo... but on the TD's I assume its doing a low amount of damage, where as with the VF its apparently a very quick way to kill them. I cant think that if it was really stressing things on the TD series then people would continue to do it?? I may be wrong though......


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Old 28 February 2008, 01:33 PM
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mm, just sound like it gonna create a big pressure build up
Old 28 February 2008, 01:34 PM
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but the noise...................
Old 28 February 2008, 01:37 PM
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lol, mine does it anyway
Old 28 February 2008, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RS Grant
IIRC, it will only work with TD range of turbo's as the VF series aren't strong enough to cope with the stress this puts the components under.. the result, if I'm right, is lots of loud "chatter" when you lift off as the air is forced back through the blades of the turbo.

Sounds very cool... and I'm a bit unhappy that my stock Hawkeye STi VF turbo wont be up to the job, cause I love that sound.


Cheers,
Grant
SN Myth, mate: TDs are strong as you like, but some VF turbos will also tolerate running without a DV. Best to speak to your tuner to ascertain whether your model is amenable to loosing the DV. It's going when I get the FMIC installed on my VF35 conversion.
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This really isnt a great idea for any turbo guys - it massively shortens the life of it.

Imagine a turbine spinning at silly rpm + and you are stalling that to 0 in a split second.... hmm it aint going to like it that is for sure.

Sure the top tuners do this, but they are stripping down turbos fairly frequently and want the instant throttle response and dont care about the downsides so much.

Daz - are you sure you want to shorten the life of it?
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Old 28 February 2008, 01:40 PM
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so the basic idea of it is its a passive antilag?
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dont think it will e capable of "stalling" the turbo as the blades will be moving too quickly.
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Originally Posted by dynamix
This really isnt a great idea for any turbo guys - it massively shortens the life of it.

Imagine a turbine spinning at silly rpm + and you are stalling that to 0 in a split second.... hmm it aint going to like it that is for sure.

Sure the top tuners do this, but they are stripping down turbos fairly frequently and want the instant throttle response and dont care about the downsides so much.

Daz - are you sure you want to shorten the life of it?
Hey mate, I don't think it's quite as bad as people make out, although its certainly harder on the turbo than running with the DV. IIRC it doesn't stall the turbo as such, the sound is air stalling across the compressor blades (?)

Put it this way, both David at Api and Bob Rawle have said that I'll be ok without it, and they both know I'm not the kind of person who wants to be changing components every 5 mins.

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Old 28 February 2008, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
so the basic idea of it is its a passive antilag?
What is passive Anti-Lag?
Old 28 February 2008, 01:44 PM
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anti-lag that doesnt work
Old 28 February 2008, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jd5217
dont think it will e capable of "stalling" the turbo as the blades will be moving too quickly.
Even worse then - even more stress.
Old 28 February 2008, 01:46 PM
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only going to cause a problem if you buy a cheaper turbo say from china.
Old 28 February 2008, 01:57 PM
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i blanked mine of on my 94 wrx with tdo5 last year, when pavlo mapped the autronic he said was fine, thats enough for me, and still no problems, oh and its running 1.4 - 1.5bar
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so another SN myth
Old 28 February 2008, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by old bob
i blanked mine of on my 94 wrx with tdo5 last year, when pavlo mapped the autronic he said was fine, thats enough for me, and still no problems, oh and its running 1.4 - 1.5bar
Hi Bob (Darren ? )

I am pretty sure the Autronic is a speed density based ECU so there wont be the downsides in terms of jerkiness /fuel economy that can be dump valve related on the MAF based system.

Would still be stressing the turbo though. Pavlo knows what he is talking about and I am sure if he says they can take the extra stress ok - then they will be ok.

I must confess that I love the sound of these in action (way better than a VTA dump valve) but it is the additional wear/stress on the parts that puts me off.
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just do it
Old 28 February 2008, 02:13 PM
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Out of interest, if any of the people 'in the know' are having a browse of this thread........ would a re-mapped UK Hawkeye 2.5 STi with stock turbo cope with the DV being blanked off, I am running c1.5bar??


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Old 28 February 2008, 02:31 PM
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no
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Originally Posted by dynamix
Hi Bob (Darren ? )

I am pretty sure the Autronic is a speed density based ECU so there wont be the downsides in terms of jerkiness /fuel economy that can be dump valve related on the MAF based system.

Would still be stressing the turbo though. Pavlo knows what he is talking about and I am sure if he says they can take the extra stress ok - then they will be ok.

I must confess that I love the sound of these in action (way better than a VTA dump valve) but it is the additional wear/stress on the parts that puts me off.

dam ya worked out it was me! must admit i had the jerky thing before going over to autronic, paul said this was due to the un dumped air blowing right back to the MAF, hence MAF sh..ting itself,


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