Stock EJ257 limits with rotated Garrett GT30R
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Stock EJ257 limits with rotated Garrett GT30R
I have just put together the above combination and am wondering what would be the sensible boost limits to run it at. Bearing it mind it has standard Rods and pistons for now. I was thinking 1.4 bar dropping to 1.2???
Running the follwoing spec
Standard STI V 5 heads and valves
Apexi Power FC (possibly still running maf or maf/sim conversion)
Boost Control by Apexi AVCR
740cc injectors
Walbro intank fuel pump
Scooby clinic Front Mount Intecooler
Reversed inlet
RCMS induction with karge K&N cone
UK six Speed
Tial 40mm External wategate
RCMS rotated up pipe
RCMS 3 inch rotated down pipe
Blitz Nur Spec R Exhaust
SX FPR
Parallel fuel Rails
Running the follwoing spec
Standard STI V 5 heads and valves
Apexi Power FC (possibly still running maf or maf/sim conversion)
Boost Control by Apexi AVCR
740cc injectors
Walbro intank fuel pump
Scooby clinic Front Mount Intecooler
Reversed inlet
RCMS induction with karge K&N cone
UK six Speed
Tial 40mm External wategate
RCMS rotated up pipe
RCMS 3 inch rotated down pipe
Blitz Nur Spec R Exhaust
SX FPR
Parallel fuel Rails
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Hi Daz,
Your spec looks very similar to mine now!!
I'm sure 1.4 bar will make near the 400 mark which is borderline with the standard pistons.
Why not save the hassle and put some Wiseco's in it now?
Your spec looks very similar to mine now!!
I'm sure 1.4 bar will make near the 400 mark which is borderline with the standard pistons.
Why not save the hassle and put some Wiseco's in it now?
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Simple reason, its down to cost at the moment.
There is method to my madness though. I'm going to run it like this to make sure everything is positioned correctly and working. I've reversed the inlet manifold so its best to make sure everything is working ok with a light tune.
Once I've established that everything works ok then I will rebuild using race bearings, pistons and rods, stick a twin plate on it and get a maf less ecu as I have no idea how the maf sensor is going to cope.
I might even get some liners for the 2.5 and then go for the 500bhp mark
Daz
There is method to my madness though. I'm going to run it like this to make sure everything is positioned correctly and working. I've reversed the inlet manifold so its best to make sure everything is working ok with a light tune.
Once I've established that everything works ok then I will rebuild using race bearings, pistons and rods, stick a twin plate on it and get a maf less ecu as I have no idea how the maf sensor is going to cope.
I might even get some liners for the 2.5 and then go for the 500bhp mark
Daz
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I would say the limit needs to be on boost at the high rpm having the AVC-R on there allows the boost to be profiled.. and also restrict the rpm due to the standard rods and pistons.. probably 1.4 tailing to 1.2 and rpm limit around 6500rpm would be fine.. although your intension is to rebuild fairly soon to allow a lot more it would be a shame to push it too far and need to replace the crank or the block or the heads etc etc.. keeping AFR on the safe side and not going mad on the timing should provide a slight safey margin too..
Simon
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I ran a very similar spec indeed except for the reversed inlet and the branding of some of the parts.
It did 15000 miles on the last engine at 1.6 bar flat with Optimax and careful timing and then the headgaskets leaked (again). Pistons on this EJ257 were OK.
I did a ring land on one of the early EJ257 pistons (and headgaskets) running more boost on a 20G with methanol and lots of timing.
It did 15000 miles on the last engine at 1.6 bar flat with Optimax and careful timing and then the headgaskets leaked (again). Pistons on this EJ257 were OK.
I did a ring land on one of the early EJ257 pistons (and headgaskets) running more boost on a 20G with methanol and lots of timing.
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Simon, You're going to be the one mapping it lol. Infact is it ok if i give you a call to discuss few things?
John,
I was hoping for your input as I spent most of yesterday reading one of your threads, 40 odd pages long. As mentioned I am planning to drop in pistons and rods at some point but would like to get the most out of it without risking breaking it for a couple of months or so. So your input is very much appreciated.
John,
I was hoping for your input as I spent most of yesterday reading one of your threads, 40 odd pages long. As mentioned I am planning to drop in pistons and rods at some point but would like to get the most out of it without risking breaking it for a couple of months or so. So your input is very much appreciated.
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of course it is okay.. ring away..
at the end of the day it's your car if you want to run more boost etc then we'll do it you know the score.
Interested to know what RPM limit you used to stick to John?
Simon
at the end of the day it's your car if you want to run more boost etc then we'll do it you know the score.
Interested to know what RPM limit you used to stick to John?
Simon
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I used to change by 7000 RPM Simon, but the limiter was at 7500 RPM.
I really wanted to sort the headgasket problem so I could fit pistons, but never saw the point until I did. I loved the way the EJ257 drove with 20G and GT30R though! Each "experiment" took a year because that is how long the last engine lasted. I moved to Evo land because I wanted a fresher car, the M3 was a disappointment, so it was between an STI or an Evo tuned to 400 BHP - latter did it with an exhaust, fuel pump, remap, STI would also have needed injectors, turbo, pistons and even now I still have questions about the headgaskets as some suggest the problem hasn't gone away. I always wondered if it was the surface prep of my block/heads, or that they'd been fitted/refitted so many times.
I really wanted to sort the headgasket problem so I could fit pistons, but never saw the point until I did. I loved the way the EJ257 drove with 20G and GT30R though! Each "experiment" took a year because that is how long the last engine lasted. I moved to Evo land because I wanted a fresher car, the M3 was a disappointment, so it was between an STI or an Evo tuned to 400 BHP - latter did it with an exhaust, fuel pump, remap, STI would also have needed injectors, turbo, pistons and even now I still have questions about the headgaskets as some suggest the problem hasn't gone away. I always wondered if it was the surface prep of my block/heads, or that they'd been fitted/refitted so many times.
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Simple reason, its down to cost at the moment.
There is method to my madness though. I'm going to run it like this to make sure everything is positioned correctly and working. I've reversed the inlet manifold so its best to make sure everything is working ok with a light tune.
Once I've established that everything works ok then I will rebuild using race bearings, pistons and rods, stick a twin plate on it and get a maf less ecu as I have no idea how the maf sensor is going to cope.
I might even get some liners for the 2.5 and then go for the 500bhp mark
Daz
There is method to my madness though. I'm going to run it like this to make sure everything is positioned correctly and working. I've reversed the inlet manifold so its best to make sure everything is working ok with a light tune.
Once I've established that everything works ok then I will rebuild using race bearings, pistons and rods, stick a twin plate on it and get a maf less ecu as I have no idea how the maf sensor is going to cope.
I might even get some liners for the 2.5 and then go for the 500bhp mark
Daz
Simon is mapping mine with a conservative tune at the end of next month, (Will be limited by how much the standard gearbox can take)
So will let you know how we get on.
PPG set is slowly being saved for.
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