Hi
Need some advice reference underperforming WRX 300. I just bought it one week ago from Subura dealer. I was told the car would be producing 261 bhp with its prodrive kit on. This car is only 12 months old. Imagine my horror when i got it on the rolling road with a max output of 230 bhp, 219 torque. The person with the road told me that this was the best performing WRX with PPP he had seen. Is this normal and what should I do!! I am using super unleaded and I bought the car from the biggest Subura dealer in NI. Any advice or similar problems would be appreciated.
thanks

 

Post edited as Title edited

 

That's not right unless the rolling road is very low reading or your car doesn't have PPP. Or it's got problems.

I've seen a std bugeye wrx make 240 with nothing other than a full de-cat. That was also at star performance at there old place in glenrothes, known for being one of the lower reading rolling roads at the time.

You'll want to check up exactly what's going on there.

Dave

 

What was the cooling at the RR like? Many places have inadequate cooling and the ECU will retard the car's power considerably as intake temps rise to save det setting in and lunching your engine.

Also, are you sure it's been PPP'd, do you have the certificate??

How about doing some research before referring to Prodrive as B**tards! That's poor form!

 

have you drove another WRX with PPP???


Av driven 2 others, not including my own and they all seem the same, av not had mine on the RR, but i know mine is a dam sight faster than WRX's with out PPP.

Its recorded a 0-60 time of 4.54 seconds too, wich i believe isnt to far from prodrives quotes


what RR did you use and is it accurate?



john

 

Who did the RR test? Are they flywheel or atw figures????

 

Pound to a penny, its either that the car had been allowed to get too hot or that PPP hasn't been fitted for some reason!

ns04

 

It sounds to me like your car's a heap of sh*t!

 

LOL

 

er, I think you may have got that wrong...

 

LOL so I have....what a plonker!!!

What I meant to say was if he got 230 at the wheels that would be a bloody good result!!

I think!!! It's been a hard day!!

Ns04

 

Would you like one more try

 

230 at the wheels perhaps...lol

 

I've edited yout title so it makes more sense

And put it in the correct forum

 

I have a 300 and mines fine. another lad on here had his roaded and come out with 260 bhp or close. what dealer??

was the car like this when you test drove it or just gone this way? has it definatly had the ppp fit? bec ause they are deliverd standard you know the 300's

 

one of the welsh lads has a WRX300 and his got 266BHP on powerstations rollers and another lad has a WRX with PPP but he only got 253(ish), both have done about the same amount of miles and ran within half an hour of each other.

 

Hi thanks for the replys, sorry if I have insulted prodrive but heres the story.... Bought the car last week from Donnelly Subaru in Belfast. The cars prodrive had never been fitted by the previous owner (dont know why) so I got a brand new pro drive pack with Cert fitted this week. The car is a 2005 model with 19000 miles, never involved in accidents. As for the rolling road, it was East coast customs in Lisburn, N. Ireland. I dont know much about them but there are not long opened and have a impressive workshop and shop. The temp for the rolling road was Air Pressure 1010 and the air temp was 15.0. (Funny though they did have a lot of evo's knocking about). Anyway the owner says that nearly all the wrx ppp that they put on the rrr never reach anywhere near the 265 mark.
I have also never driven another one with ppp but I am starting to think I should have bought a STI!!!!
do you think the dealer willhave to get it sorted or am i just going to have to suffer it.
THANKS
BARRY

 

Of course the dealer will sort it. Its a wrx300 so it comes with PPP as standard. Why do you think you should have bought an STI??? Being a bit hasty mate. When you get it PPP'd it will feel like a different car believe me. Dont accept any excuses from the dealers as in all honesty they have sold you a car under false pretences so dont have a leg to stand on. Let us know how you like the car when its sorted.

 

ECC's R/road would seem by all accounts to be accurate. Brand new set-up. I think a lot of folk are suprised by low horsepower readings on an accurate machine. My 2.5 was 401/396lbft on the same R/road...

 

Man, I gotta stop drinking!!!

One more go: 230 at the wheels would be a suspiciously good result!!!

Ns04

 

I'm a little lost about what car you have bought?
A 2005 WRX 300 had PPP as std and should have been fitted at 1000 miles if not sooner.
Are you saying that your 300 never had the PPP fitted in 19k miles?
Is the PPP kit now fitted the original kit but just left off?


Anyway, did the RR output show what power at wheels you had?
This may be more helpful than fly power.

Nick

 

Butty
i did buy a 2005 wrx 300. The dealer told me that when new the buyer got a voucher for the PPP. It would seem the original buyer just didnt bother to get it fitted. I was told my ppp was a brand new one. I actually had to point out the the PPP was missing in the first place. the dealer was unaware!!
I am not sure about the power at the wheels. i was told that it was producing 230bhp at 6437 Rpm, unfortunately I am not the mechanically minded so not sure what the difference is but the guy at east coast customs told me that the car was coming up 30 bhp short.
thanks

 

just an update
went to dealers this morning and they tried to make excuses ie what petrol are you using!!!!
he then told me that a lot of prodrived cars dont make the alleged power.
Car going in tomorrow so workshop can have a look. they are blamimg it possibly on the CAT.
Might be an idea for other prodrived WRX's to get their motors checked.

 

If they just put in the ECU and didn't exchange the exhaust that might have done it but I can't imagaine a dealer making that sort of mistake.

 

Im not being funny mate, but i can and have seen mistakes made by the dealers similar to this.


They are the biggest bunch of incompetant people i have ever come across.


john

 

the way this car was released was stupid.
the 300's get deliverd to dealers with out ppp and the dealer then fits it. But then say if for some reason the customer didnt want the PPP they didnt have to have it. or if they wanted it after the 1000 mile service they could have it then.
im sure there was another guy on here who bought one and the ppp was not fit but knew non the wiser. infact when the model was reviewd in scooby magazine the car in the photos which was in a dealer show room had the ppp missing....

look at the zorst....

 

got the motor back from donnellys yesterday. They done lots of checks with Prodrive and say the car is perfect. I actually Know the guy at donnellys and he drove the car, says it is normal. Also questioned the RR is was on. sounds like to many variables to get a accurate reading on these RR. Wish i had never off bothered, regardless car is still class !!!

Thanks to everone for the assistance