Notices

Lambda reading

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10 July 2006, 11:21 AM
  #1  
Granby
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (5)
 
Granby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: S E London........ 555 Wagon Sqn
Posts: 5,387
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Lambda reading

Could someone explain the lambda reading on this power graph for me

Thanks in advance

Old 10 July 2006, 11:24 AM
  #2  
Neilo
Scooby Regular
 
Neilo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Behind the wheel of a Time Attack R33 GTR
Posts: 5,734
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

yup....its good

ok its not an explaination as such....
Old 10 July 2006, 11:46 AM
  #3  
Granby
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (5)
 
Granby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: S E London........ 555 Wagon Sqn
Posts: 5,387
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Neilo
yup....its good

ok its not an explaination as such....
The good bit i like

for the explanation
Old 10 July 2006, 12:39 PM
  #4  
GingerbreadMan
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
GingerbreadMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 163
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I’m guessing here but……….the scale on the right is the average voltage output of the lambda sensor ie 0.2v = Lean, 1.2v = Rich. Your readout shows it leaner at the lower revs, a fairly steep climb between 3200 and 4000 (which I’m guessing is where boost really starts to kick in), and a nice steady rich reading at the higher revs. If you were to have any negative spikes anywhere along that line I’d say it was probably a bad reading. – But yours looks good (methinks).

If you can be arsed to read it, this should tell you some more about lambda sensors…..

http://www.picotech.com/auto/lambda_sensor.html

I’m going to be checking mine soon.

HTH
Old 10 July 2006, 12:49 PM
  #5  
Jay m A
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Jay m A's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Class record holder at Pembrey Llandow Goodwood MIRA Hethel Blyton Curborough Lydden and Snetterton
Posts: 8,626
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I think lambda = 1 means stoich, which is an AFR of 14.7:1

So lambda of 0.8 is 80% of stoich, as in 14.7 x 0.8 = 11.8:1

Your graph shows 0.7 = 10.3:1, which means a nice safe AFR when on boost

I stand to be corrected though, but thats how I see it

Last edited by Jay m A; 10 July 2006 at 12:52 PM.
Old 11 July 2006, 08:50 AM
  #6  
Granby
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (5)
 
Granby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: S E London........ 555 Wagon Sqn
Posts: 5,387
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Cheers for that
Old 11 July 2006, 10:46 AM
  #7  
AndrewC
Scooby Regular
 
AndrewC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 2,209
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Jay m A is correct in his description of lambda, but that looks quite rich to me, I would expect a mapped car to be in the 0.76-0.78 range.
Old 11 July 2006, 10:54 AM
  #8  
Neilo
Scooby Regular
 
Neilo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Behind the wheel of a Time Attack R33 GTR
Posts: 5,734
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

i think on the road youll find that the lambda reading would be closer to 0.78 as described above, on the rollers though the strange loads help to bring that figure down slightly lower....

I think my graph read around 0.72 or 0.73 on the dyno.
Old 11 July 2006, 04:34 PM
  #9  
Scott.T
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Scott.T's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: East Sussex
Posts: 6,181
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

They do tend to read a bit richer on the rollers.
One of the factors being that the boost achieved on the rollers is normally a little lower.

what's your spec now then Granby, to get 333BHP ?
Old 11 July 2006, 11:07 PM
  #10  
Granby
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (5)
 
Granby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: S E London........ 555 Wagon Sqn
Posts: 5,387
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Scott.T
They do tend to read a bit richer on the rollers.
One of the factors being that the boost achieved on the rollers is normally a little lower.

what's your spec now then Granby, to get 333BHP ?
Better to run a little rich than lean

Last edited by Granby; 11 August 2006 at 12:19 PM.
Old 12 July 2006, 08:03 AM
  #11  
Scott.T
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Scott.T's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: East Sussex
Posts: 6,181
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Cool, similar to me then, except my headers are still on the garage floor half ported (waiting for some carbide burrs to arrive).
I guess thats running about 1.4bar then.
Old 12 July 2006, 08:40 AM
  #12  
Granby
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (5)
 
Granby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: S E London........ 555 Wagon Sqn
Posts: 5,387
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Peaks at 1.45bar then dropping to about 1.3bar

Old 12 July 2006, 11:00 AM
  #13  
Scott.T
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Scott.T's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: East Sussex
Posts: 6,181
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Does it still spit flames, as it was when I was behind you at brands in Keiths Classic Wagon.

Are they real or is it a flamer kit ??
Old 12 July 2006, 12:09 PM
  #14  
Granby
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (5)
 
Granby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: S E London........ 555 Wagon Sqn
Posts: 5,387
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Scott.T
Does it still spit flames, as it was when I was behind you at brands in Keiths Classic Wagon.

Are they real or is it a flamer kit ??
Yes it does still spit flames but they aren't real , just opened up the plug gap on it recently and it seems to be flaming some more , think i scared a few people in Blackwall tunnel last Saturday coming back from the rolling road day
Old 12 July 2006, 03:17 PM
  #15  
New_scooby_04
Moderator
iTrader: (4)
 
New_scooby_04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: The Terry Crews of moderation. P P P P P P POWER!!
Posts: 18,687
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Granby
Better to run a little rich than lean

OK here we go with the full spec

VF34 turbo
Wrapped & ported headers (Harvey Smith)
Full decat
STi intercooler
STi injectors
Remap by Bob Rawle

Giving me a total of 333bhp & 325lbs
Effective mods these, I have similar on my MY99 (VF35 rather than 34) and ugraded fuel pump and hoses. After some attention from Mr Rawle ....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/ns04/cc60eb74.jpg

Ns04
Old 12 July 2006, 03:58 PM
  #16  
Granby
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (5)
 
Granby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: S E London........ 555 Wagon Sqn
Posts: 5,387
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

oh yes i forgot to put down uprated fuel pump
Old 12 July 2006, 04:04 PM
  #17  
trails
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (41)
 
trails's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: in the woods...........555 Wagon Sqn
Posts: 13,347
Received 55 Likes on 42 Posts
Default

ian, i keep forgetting to ask what the VF34 is like compared to the old TD04...do you notice any more lag or has that all been sorted by Mr Rawl?
Old 12 July 2006, 04:09 PM
  #18  
Granby
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (5)
 
Granby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: S E London........ 555 Wagon Sqn
Posts: 5,387
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by trails
ian, i keep forgetting to ask what the VF34 is like compared to the old TD04...do you notice any more lag or has that all been sorted by Mr Rawl?
The VF34 spools up later than the TD04 but you get a bigger hit when it does kick in, now with the ported headers and the remap it almost spools up like the TD04 , you could always try one of Andy Forrests hybrid TD04's which are good for about 330bhp
Old 12 July 2006, 04:12 PM
  #19  
trails
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (41)
 
trails's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: in the woods...........555 Wagon Sqn
Posts: 13,347
Received 55 Likes on 42 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Granby
The VF34 spools up later than the TD04 but you get a bigger hit when it does kick in, now with the ported headers and the remap it almost spools up like the TD04 , you could always try one of Andy Forrests hybrid TD04's which are good for about 330bhp
its the only thing thats making me drag my heals at present, my car almost feels like its NA at the mo which is lovely to drive but bad on the juice consumption...330 pah <petulant child voice> I WANT AT LEAST 350
Old 12 July 2006, 04:14 PM
  #20  
New_scooby_04
Moderator
iTrader: (4)
 
New_scooby_04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: The Terry Crews of moderation. P P P P P P POWER!!
Posts: 18,687
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by trails
ian, i keep forgetting to ask what the VF34 is like compared to the old TD04...do you notice any more lag or has that all been sorted by Mr Rawl?
Hi mate,

I hope Ian will excuse me for jumping in with a reply, I have a VF35 (very similar to the VF34). In terms of the threshold at which the boost kicks in, it's like a TD04 before you get a decat etc i.e. it really starts to go from about 3000rpm (this is with ported headers though) at that point I have the torque I used to have at peak with the Td04 and from there it never looks back! The response below 3000 rpm is better than the TD04 after the remap and it feels beefier! In terms of the lag, i.e. the delay in response to the throttle being pressed, its not really discernably different TBH- it spools quickly. It punches considerably harder and longer though.

Ns04

Last edited by New_scooby_04; 12 July 2006 at 04:18 PM.
Old 12 July 2006, 04:16 PM
  #21  
Granby
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (5)
 
Granby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: S E London........ 555 Wagon Sqn
Posts: 5,387
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by trails
its the only thing thats making me drag my heals at present, my car almost feels like its NA at the mo which is lovely to drive but bad on the juice consumption...330 pah <petulant child voice> I WANT AT LEAST 350
Well if you want 350 i'm going for 400
Old 12 July 2006, 04:17 PM
  #22  
Neilo
Scooby Regular
 
Neilo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Behind the wheel of a Time Attack R33 GTR
Posts: 5,734
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Granby
i'm going for 400
is that all?
Old 12 July 2006, 04:19 PM
  #23  
trails
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (41)
 
trails's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: in the woods...........555 Wagon Sqn
Posts: 13,347
Received 55 Likes on 42 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
Hi mate,

I hope Ian will excuse me for jumping in with a reply, I have a VF35 (very similar to the VF34). In terms of the threshold at which the boost kicks in, it's like a TD04 before you get a decat etc i.e. it really starts to go from about 3000rpm (this is with ported headers though). That said, the response below 3000 rpm is better than the TD04 after the remap and it feels beefier! In terms of the lag, i.e. the delay in response to the throttle being pressed, its not really discernably different TBH- it spools quickly. It punches considerably harder and longer though.

Ns04
thnkas ns04, i also have harvey's headers so not a problem there...sounds as though a VF35 is the way to go...i'll also be upgrading to one of harvey fmic's so i expect quite a change in the way it drives

ian (another one!)
Old 12 July 2006, 04:19 PM
  #24  
Granby
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (5)
 
Granby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: S E London........ 555 Wagon Sqn
Posts: 5,387
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Neilo
is that all?
OK maybe 401
Old 12 July 2006, 04:20 PM
  #25  
trails
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (41)
 
trails's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: in the woods...........555 Wagon Sqn
Posts: 13,347
Received 55 Likes on 42 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Granby
Well if you want 350 i'm going for 400
pmsl, yeah you will need it for lugging around that lardy blob-eye
Old 12 July 2006, 04:21 PM
  #26  
New_scooby_04
Moderator
iTrader: (4)
 
New_scooby_04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: The Terry Crews of moderation. P P P P P P POWER!!
Posts: 18,687
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by trails
its the only thing thats making me drag my heals at present, my car almost feels like its NA at the mo which is lovely to drive but bad on the juice consumption...330 pah <petulant child voice> I WANT AT LEAST 350
330 would be "sufficient" as the folks at RR always used to say!*

Ns04

*For the moment!
Old 12 July 2006, 04:25 PM
  #27  
New_scooby_04
Moderator
iTrader: (4)
 
New_scooby_04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: The Terry Crews of moderation. P P P P P P POWER!!
Posts: 18,687
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by trails
thnkas ns04, i also have harvey's headers so not a problem there...sounds as though a VF35 is the way to go...i'll also be upgrading to one of harvey fmic's so i expect quite a change in the way it drives

ian (another one!)
BTW There's not much in it, but I believe the VF35 is the slightly quicker spooling turbo owing to the smaller exhaust housing (?), I think the flipside is that it's not quite as strong right at the top end, but -again, there is very little in it! The mapper will make the biggest difference by far I suspect.

Ns04
Old 12 July 2006, 04:25 PM
  #28  
Granby
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (5)
 
Granby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: S E London........ 555 Wagon Sqn
Posts: 5,387
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by trails
pmsl, yeah you will need it for lugging around that lardy blob-eye
Meow
Old 12 July 2006, 04:26 PM
  #29  
trails
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (41)
 
trails's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: in the woods...........555 Wagon Sqn
Posts: 13,347
Received 55 Likes on 42 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Granby
Meow
(only joking )

Last edited by trails; 12 July 2006 at 04:33 PM.
Old 12 July 2006, 04:29 PM
  #30  
Neilo
Scooby Regular
 
Neilo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Behind the wheel of a Time Attack R33 GTR
Posts: 5,734
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

get yourself to a track, ill show you how slow it is if you like


Quick Reply: Lambda reading



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:15 PM.