DannyBoyTurbo

Had a recon engine off API a while back for my UK MY98 turbo and just had to change the water pump gasket due to a leak.

When I had it off I noticed there was no out feed to the oil cooler and sure enough there was no oil cooler at all.

I thought maybe it was just something the uk cars didn't have but since been looking at every uk model I can find and they all have them.

Have I been sold a Legacy lump or something?

P20SPD

iTrader: (1)

Everyone i have seen has had the standard cooler/warmer in place, AKA the Modene.

RON

A mate had a similar thing, and he found out it was a Legacy lump, does it have coil packs.... one bolt or two...

stockcar

a lot of the JDM spec cars have these omitted, particuarly Forester turbo and some legacy's........also a lot of the auto type impreza's

personal advice would be to have a chat with API, they seem approachable enough..............

alyn

DannyBoyTurbo

I kept my original coil packs along with most of the ancillaies all of which fitted to this block fine.

I'll pop down my local dealer and run the engine number before troubling Dave but assuming its a legacy lump are there any other things that might not be to my advantage as I'm already running about 300 and wish to go quite a bit higher. Are the internals the same?

APIDavid

iTrader: (4)

Danny,

As Alyn says not all JDM engines have the modene. Ditto the water pump has no external feed for the pipework to the modene. There is nothing sinister about whether it is a Forester or a Legacy or whatever it is just that the modene is not always there. 2002-on Spec C has a PROPER oil cooler and no parts for the modene on the water pump and so on.

Maybe we had and used a WRX RA engine or something when we did your rebuild and just maybe that engine had an external oil cooler etc etc.

No big deal to supply a modene type water pump and the necessary parts if it is bothering you. The car will be better with one, even though the effect they have is marginal.

Let me know if I can help.

Kind regards David APi Engines / APi Impreza
www.apiengines.com

DannyBoyTurbo

Thanks for replying Dave, I was not in any way implying there was anything suspect going on. It just confused the hell outta me as I couldn't find an Impreza without one.

I'm not so much worried about the lack of oil cooler although yes I will deffo have to get something sorted. Its the what engine question thats bothering me. If it is a Leggy/forester engine what's the deal? Are they exactly the same internally?

Surely if it were from an engine with an aftermarket external oil cooler the water feed from the pump would still be there (just blocked off) but my pump has nothing.

APIDavid

iTrader: (4)

Danny, The Spec C and RA water pumps are a different casting and don't have the provision for the water pipe outlet at all. It's the only way from the outside to tell the engines apart.

It's a pain to us as we use a number of water pumps 'updating' engines that come from Japan.

Confusingly the Legacy and Forester quite often take the same water pump, although more often there is a little rubber blind hose and clip over the outlet as you suggest.

Kind regards David APi Impreza / APi Engines
www.apiengines.com

PS In principle there is no difference that matters inside the Legacy / Forester short engine. In fact the earlier engines WILL HAVE closed deck block and bore squirters which is a definite plus. What is likely is that we used a block from a CDB type engine and put your heads on to it.

easyrider

Out of interest,what are the differences between the Legacy/Impreza lumps then.

BTW David-your link doesnt work ,youve put it down as aoiengines-not api.

BANKER

I thought that some legacy engines had different internals like tappets and different pumps.
if i paid for an impreza lump i wouldnt want a cheaper legacy engine

APIDavid

iTrader: (4)

That's a bit of a long question, and not easy to answer as it changes many times.

For the purposes of here and now, The valve covers on the heads are different; Impreza has a one bolt coil pack and Legacy has 2. Legacy heads are finger type valve rockers instead of direct acting cam and bucket which restricts the revs.

There are a number of differences with pistons over the years relating to compression ratio. Otherwise as I said before, nothing of consequence inside the short engine.

David APi

PS Thanks for the heads up on the link I have corrected my one but your repost needs to be done by you.

APIDavid

iTrader: (4)

Quite right too!, Thats why we rebuild 99% of all customers engines that come here so that we return them in the spec that they arrived in.

We rarely sell a used engine as there is no way to guarantee the quality of the internals without a strip and looksee.

Even on a 150,000 mile engine you can still see cross hatching marks on the bores even though you get your fingers down the side of the pistons and remove the rings without taking the pistons off the rods.........

David APi

DannyBoyTurbo

Thanks again for the reply Dave. If you remember I destroyed my orignal engine competely - big hole in block - so rebuild wasn't possible and I had to buy a complete re-con engine. You "accidently" sent an engine that hadn't even been looked at, rattled straight away and blew a few weeks later. Then I got this engine all clean and shrink wrapped.

Seeing as I'm soon to be going for big power again can you honestly tell me I have nothing to worry about? Do you think its worth me identifying the exact engine? Can main dealers definitly identify it from the engine number or will they only list uk cars. I don't really want to remove the intercooler only to find out theycan't id it.

APIDavid

iTrader: (4)

Danny yhpm

Ken Ross

Strangely my STI II Engine seems to have a 2 bolt coil pack. And there are no locating dowels for the inlet manifold gasket.

Do you keep records of the engine spec's you send out Dave ?

My engine has a number witten on the cambelt covers, and was meant to come from API. (Well thats what I paid for)

APIDavid

iTrader: (4)

You'll need to give me more details to be able to track it down for you.

Who did you buy it from OR who bought it for you and for how much?. Give me some dates and invoice number if you can please.

We don't write engine numbers on cam belt housings but sometimes the Japanese do.

Kind regards David APi Engines / APi Impreza