shifty (chris)

http://www.nevetas.co.uk/albums/Shi...e_155.sized.jpg
im waiting for my scoob to be ready as im having a wide aerch kit on it
pic to follow soon

im in a project with MY00 uk turbo2000 classic
wot i have done so far to the engine is 255 fuel pump and big regulator with 850cc injectors and front M Intercooler its is and i do want to keep it as a 2lt

wot i need help in is wot kind of turbo i can use for max with out blowing it up
and i am in the progress of doin my pistons robs and crank with new bearings

would a VF34 or VF35 be good or can i go bigger

or does anyone have a VF35 up for sale

cheers shifty

R19KET

If you want 450bhp +, you're going to need a MUCH bigger turbo, than a VF34, or VF35, both of which are good for circa 340bhp.

A hybrid TD06, or a hybrid IHI/Garrett would do the job.


Mark.

Pavlo

The best, safe way to hit 450hp is not cheap. First, I would recommend you have a go in a car which actually does have 450hp, then, when you've decided that you don't need that much power, it will be a lot cheaper!

450hp is honest too much for most people, as it just exceeds the capabilities of so many things.

You will need:

Replacement built short engine
Clutch
Gearbox
ECU
STI heads or rebuilt UK heads
much bigger turbo than a vf35 (which is only good for about a genuine 330hp on pump fuel)
headers
mapping

Expect to pay at least £10k

If on the other hand you only need 380hp, then the price is much less. You can keep standard heads, use a cheaper turbo, use a cheaper ECU, sti 5 speed box, and probably even get away with a standard Engine.

Are you really as shifty as they say?

Paul

shifty (chris)

very shifty well i do like the feeback people say about the VF35 if i do that will i need to replace pistons and that

i supose i cout go for 380 and 50/75bhp shot of Nos

shifty (chris)

ok well the mods i have done already wot else will i need to do like

turbo and pistons stuff like that really i would be most happy to hit 400bhp or near as if not just over with out Nos then i can get the 450 with nos could be a safer bet i think

Jay_bee

iTrader: (1)

To hit 400, you will need the same rudimentary stuff that you would need to hit 450 IE: Take Pavlo's advice, cos he's done it and gone well past it and he's already told you what you'll need (and he might just be able to provide a few bits too)

stevebt

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you can reach 400bhp on standard engines as quite a few have done so already, its more down to the right choice of mods and turbo

Jay_bee

iTrader: (1)

On UK internals??

stevebt

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errr yes!!! and why not uk internals. i know of someone who has just made 450ish on standard uk internals

Jay_bee

iTrader: (1)

Wasnt slating UK cars mate, no offense intended.

I was meaning that 400 on STi internals is just about safe and they have forged pistons, better gearbox etc

If Im wrong, apologies!

Pavlo

450hp on standard UK internals is possible, but a long term recipe for disaster, in fact he may not even reach the long term! If it's an STI then that's a slightly different story, depending on the piston type.

I wouldn't recommend doing too many miles on a UK engine with only 400hp either, you might be lucky, but you might be one of the increasing number of people for whom their engine just dies after significant use at high power.

Paul

Jay_bee

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Sorry, I wasnt saying that you couldnt achieve that power figure on a UK car with standard internals, of course you can with the right mods, but what I was meaning, was that the chances are, it wouldnt last very long on standard internals at that kind of power etc.

stevebt

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he did say it didnt sound too healthly at that bhp lol
jay no offence taken at all

Floyd

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Take the advice here and get a ride in a genuinely fast car. Many say they have the power but you'll know when they REALLY have it. The point I'm making is thatyou've probably got 240-250bhp now (depending on mapper, assuming its been mapped) so another 70-100bhp may be more than enough to give the thrills you seek. Won't cost the earth either.

What's your budget? Are you sorting the brakes and chassis?

F

stevebt

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come to think of it i wouldnt mind having a go in a car with about 450bhp/420lbs to see if its worth me wasting anymore of my cash

Floyd

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Steve, I know what 500BHP feels like in a Cossy so I've got an idea of what it should be like. The doubt that I have is can you have 400+ and still be a daily driver that your mum could use, or will it become a limited life tracktoy/B road blaster? Without driving JB's car I couldn't say?

F

R19KET

Steve,

DON'T DO IT....... It will cost you a LOT of money


Mark.

john banks

Floyd or Steve you are welcome to have a go, since I know both of you Once the gearbox is back in of course

stevebt

iTrader: (8)

i only need the turbo and uprated engine and im really trying hard not to spend the cash

Floyd

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Next time I'm in Scotland I may take you up on that John I just hope it doesn't end up with me spending shed loads trying to achieve what you've done

F

john banks

I would consider selling the whole car except I would get thousands less than taking it back to standard and selling all the mods just for someone else to try to do it all again.

R.B

For road use 450+ is too much IMHO.

If you do want to go for this you will need to spent at-least 9-11k to do this the right way.

1st thing would be up-rated internals then the list just goes on and on

You can look at my spec if you want on scoobyphotos (White trackcar) the car is capable of alot more if i wanted to but for track a reliable 400 bhp is perfect.

R.B

shifty (chris)

yeah i got front and back sorted with black diamond drilled and grooved and braided and new predetor pads and im now thinking of getting the black diamond clutch kit

my uk at standard was 217 then i had full decat'd custom back box from power flow letter box exit and had it on rollers at 237.1 ad 233 t since then i done alot (1st page)

do you think if i get sti guts and head with VF35 i would be good to hit 380+
i do like to do 1/4 mile sometimes as i never done it before always watching and wish i could get on there but i would like some power behind me or theres no point so if i could get 380+ then Nos i will be more then happy

shifty (chris)

i dont want to go mad on spending but i do want to hit power safly and as cheap as but all i did the tread for is wot i can and cant do im getting my mods bit by bit
and leaving the remap last on my list but if the sti guts is better to use or a good set of pistons rods and a vf35 it could be quicker and cheaper to do

i dont use my car everyday i drive to work monday and come home friday but i do go meets with essex scooby crew alot on weekends

Floyd

iTrader: (9)

So you have: Decat, TD04, 850's, FMIC, Pump, Reg.

I'm surprised its running without a remap and it could be liable to det possibly! TBH I don't think you'll see 380bhp with a VF35 but you might with a BRD special or an 18g etc. The injectors look a bit on the big side and you may have problems IMO.

Get yourslf to an expert and tell them your goals and follow their advice.

F

stevebt

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440cc injectors will suit a V35 turbo just fine, as i have said on another thread i have 740cc injectors with a 20g turbo but i think this turboo is more suited to 550's well at 1.5 bar it is

stevebt

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i wouldnt mind taking you up on that offer next time im at andy's im getting a FMIC fitted so once remapped my car wont be that far off what i fancy aiming for just down on the torque