Your experiences: FE TD05 on MY99/00
13 June 2004, 04:44 PM
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Your experiences: FE TD05 on MY99/00
After months of getting the parts together, I'm not too far off having it all fitted. Just wondered what experiences people have had (good, bad, driveability,lag, 1/4mile times etc)?
MY99 Spec presently:
JB Tek3
3" Mongoose Straight through (turbo bck)
HKS SSQV
Silicon Hoses
(ran 13.4secs @100mph at Santa Pod with cooked clutch)
Spec to go:
FE TD05
Tek3
Walbro Fuel Pump
FSE FPR
Ported Headers
H&S 2" up-pipe
STi panel filter/K&N
3 port solenoid
AFR meter
boost gauge
Knocklink
AP Organic clutch
Cheers,
Bob
MY99 Spec presently:
JB Tek3
3" Mongoose Straight through (turbo bck)
HKS SSQV
Silicon Hoses
(ran 13.4secs @100mph at Santa Pod with cooked clutch)
Spec to go:
FE TD05
Tek3
Walbro Fuel Pump
FSE FPR
Ported Headers
H&S 2" up-pipe
STi panel filter/K&N
3 port solenoid
AFR meter
boost gauge
Knocklink
AP Organic clutch
Cheers,
Bob
13 June 2004, 05:15 PM
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New gearbox required within 6k km's. Truth, sorry. The set-up you're talking about is worth somewhere around 350 bhp, and not much less torque (depends on TB temps though - what are doing for an intercooler?).
I would not fit this kit until you have a stronger gbox solution ready.....
Richard
I would not fit this kit until you have a stronger gbox solution ready.....
Richard
13 June 2004, 11:24 PM
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My Gearbox has held up for 6months now including going down the strip once or twice.
The headers and up-pipe will add to the difference you notice when you change to the td05, (i take it it's getting done at the same time), getting off the line quickly (not launching) will be a bit different given you no longer will have boost from 6rpm. Well worth it though IHMO. It's not going to be quite as nice round the town, if you want to nip into a gap without changing gear say.
I would recomend an uprated top mount if you want to do this though. I fitted an APS TMIC to my car when it was almost standard and noticed a difference straight away, even the gf said she noticed it from the passenger seat.
Good luck, Dave.
The headers and up-pipe will add to the difference you notice when you change to the td05, (i take it it's getting done at the same time), getting off the line quickly (not launching) will be a bit different given you no longer will have boost from 6rpm. Well worth it though IHMO. It's not going to be quite as nice round the town, if you want to nip into a gap without changing gear say.
I would recomend an uprated top mount if you want to do this though. I fitted an APS TMIC to my car when it was almost standard and noticed a difference straight away, even the gf said she noticed it from the passenger seat.
Good luck, Dave.
14 June 2004, 07:24 AM
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"What are your experiences gearboxes aside? What boost you running?"
A much, much faster car
Mine is quite laggy (1bar at 3k7 in 4th on a 6MT), but a friends comes online a lot quicker (still to work out why - swapping turbo soon). But it pulls through to the redline in a way a td04 could never hope to.
I currently run 1.4 bar through the mid-range, tailling down to 1.2 at the redline. 440's at 4 bar atmospheric = ~90% IDC's.
Make sure you monitor TB temps, as this will be your limiting factor I suspect. Maybe also add some form of catch can to stop oil from being recirculated, and a better inlet pipe - these 2 items were worth up to 4 degrees additional timing on mine.
If not done, also consider porting the wastegate as much as possible on the standard penny before fitting the td05. I can't get mine below 1.2 bar at the redline
Say goodbye to your gearbox, and start saving for a 6MT (which will raise your TB temps a bit too, if still on tmic)
Richard
A much, much faster car
Mine is quite laggy (1bar at 3k7 in 4th on a 6MT), but a friends comes online a lot quicker (still to work out why - swapping turbo soon). But it pulls through to the redline in a way a td04 could never hope to. I currently run 1.4 bar through the mid-range, tailling down to 1.2 at the redline. 440's at 4 bar atmospheric = ~90% IDC's.
Make sure you monitor TB temps, as this will be your limiting factor I suspect. Maybe also add some form of catch can to stop oil from being recirculated, and a better inlet pipe - these 2 items were worth up to 4 degrees additional timing on mine.
If not done, also consider porting the wastegate as much as possible on the standard penny before fitting the td05. I can't get mine below 1.2 bar at the redline
Say goodbye to your gearbox, and start saving for a 6MT (which will raise your TB temps a bit too, if still on tmic)
Richard
14 June 2004, 01:08 PM
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Dave: Its all getting done at the same time. Should be okay on std TMIC from my understanding under 330bhp. Will get an uprated one in the future when I saved some more £££s.
Richard: If the gearbox goes I will just replace it with another 5spd poss RA box with UK 5th if I dont feel the std UK5spd isn't up to the job. 6sp boxes are expensive and unnecessary. Will look into oil catch can and inletn pipe as its not something I have considered.
What are the benefits of porting the wastegate?
Richard: If the gearbox goes I will just replace it with another 5spd poss RA box with UK 5th if I dont feel the std UK5spd isn't up to the job. 6sp boxes are expensive and unnecessary. Will look into oil catch can and inletn pipe as its not something I have considered.
What are the benefits of porting the wastegate?
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15 June 2004, 01:02 PM
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I have a charge temp of 40deg+ at high speeds say 120mph even on a relatively cool day with the APS. I think to make 330bhp on a standard intercooler would very optimistic, unless you were running big headers and high boost. In which case the bigger intercooler would be a better option anyway.
Personally I doubt you would getting a realistic 330bhp at anything less that 1.5/1.6 bar of boost. I definetly wouldn't be willing to do that to my standard uk engine. Just MHO, good luck though.
Dave
Personally I doubt you would getting a realistic 330bhp at anything less that 1.5/1.6 bar of boost. I definetly wouldn't be willing to do that to my standard uk engine. Just MHO, good luck though.
Dave
15 June 2004, 04:03 PM
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tdo5 and a tek 3 ecu should be alright on your gearbox as the lbs torque wont be really high, i had a tek3 map with a tdo5 turbo and mine had about 290lbs of torque with an sti intercooler(classic shape impreza) its a different type of pulling power to the tdo4 took me a little time to ajdjust to it and admit i liked it
15 June 2004, 10:20 PM
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I'm Running 1.3bar boost to 6k dropping to 1.2@ redline
Aps TMIC
Standard Headers
Magnex up-pipe to back box with full de-cat
TD05/06
550cc injectors
FSE fuel press reg@ standard press
walbro fuel p/p
GEMS ecu
HKS induction kit
Water Injection
That's not quite how I want it though, there are a few things to change.
Dave
Aps TMIC
Standard Headers
Magnex up-pipe to back box with full de-cat
TD05/06
550cc injectors
FSE fuel press reg@ standard press
walbro fuel p/p
GEMS ecu
HKS induction kit
Water Injection
That's not quite how I want it though, there are a few things to change.
Dave
05 July 2004, 03:20 PM
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T-uk runs 12.5 at 114 at Crail with TD05, FMIC, headers, 1.25 bar at 6000 RPM and does about 340 BHP. The FMIC and headers both help.
Like rolling roads though, you can only really compare with other cars on the same day as the timing/terminals are a bit suspect on 1/4 mile runs, even at some events the two lanes read considerably different. But 12.4 at 115 is supposedly late model 911 Turbo territory.
Like rolling roads though, you can only really compare with other cars on the same day as the timing/terminals are a bit suspect on 1/4 mile runs, even at some events the two lanes read considerably different. But 12.4 at 115 is supposedly late model 911 Turbo territory.
07 July 2004, 01:24 PM
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Be interesting to compare the cars after - Specs are similar except in a couple of areas (well, WILL be similar...)
You'll be running Tek3, I'll be Power FC+AVC-R
Yours have TMIC, mines FMIC (Hybrid)
Yours has ported headers, mine are standard
Yours is K+N Panel, mines 57i....
Up-pipe and Exhaust on mine is all TSL, but I'd have thought they were similar.
Bet the mileage is different too
(oh - and I'm phase 1 engine, not 2)
I assume you're being re-mapped by John? I'm not sure I'll be putting mine on a rr anytime soon, (assuming everything is OK) - best to just keep it together for a while first.....
Ah- also didn't spot injectors - I'm fitting 550s to mine...
Mark
You'll be running Tek3, I'll be Power FC+AVC-R
Yours have TMIC, mines FMIC (Hybrid)
Yours has ported headers, mine are standard
Yours is K+N Panel, mines 57i....
Up-pipe and Exhaust on mine is all TSL, but I'd have thought they were similar.
Bet the mileage is different too
(oh - and I'm phase 1 engine, not 2)I assume you're being re-mapped by John? I'm not sure I'll be putting mine on a rr anytime soon, (assuming everything is OK) - best to just keep it together for a while first.....
Ah- also didn't spot injectors - I'm fitting 550s to mine...
Mark
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07 July 2004, 01:43 PM
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Yes would make for good comparison.
I have purchased a tek3 map from a fellow snetter. Was mapped by John on a car with the same sec as mine. Should be okay but may need a tweak here and there.
Did the same with my current one and it didnt need any tweaks. Runs a treat.
Maybe see you at a drag/track/rollingroad event when its all done.
Bob
I have purchased a tek3 map from a fellow snetter. Was mapped by John on a car with the same sec as mine. Should be okay but may need a tweak here and there.
Did the same with my current one and it didnt need any tweaks. Runs a treat.
Maybe see you at a drag/track/rollingroad event when its all done.
Bob
07 July 2004, 01:49 PM
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What spark plugs are you (going to be) running ? AFAIK, they're changed every 60K miles ? - Which means mine are due to be changed in another 6K, but I doubt they're anything special, as my 60K service was at the Subaru dealer, when the car was standard....
Thinking of changing them prior to fitting the above...
Mark
Edited - They are changed every 30, not 60k....
Thinking of changing them prior to fitting the above...
Mark
Edited - They are changed every 30, not 60k....
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12 July 2004, 03:58 PM
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No idea on the plugs. Have OE ones at the moment. May be worth asking JB or BR.
Was thinking that it may be sensible to have a spare gearbox (as I cant afford to have the car off road). Any suggestions?
Std UK 5 speed
STi5 5 speed (different from UK?)
Type RA box with UK final drive (how hard/much would it be to have this done?)
6 speed (too dear)
Bob
Was thinking that it may be sensible to have a spare gearbox (as I cant afford to have the car off road). Any suggestions?
Std UK 5 speed
STi5 5 speed (different from UK?)
Type RA box with UK final drive (how hard/much would it be to have this done?)
6 speed (too dear)
Bob
12 July 2004, 04:17 PM
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I'm running TD05 FE on a MY00 type UK.
'Upgrade' to a PFR7B spark plug - Less prone to det.
I'm also wondering what g/box to have spare, ready for the inevitable !
I'm being advised that an Sti 5 or 6 box + diff will be up to the job.
'Upgrade' to a PFR7B spark plug - Less prone to det.
I'm also wondering what g/box to have spare, ready for the inevitable !
I'm being advised that an Sti 5 or 6 box + diff will be up to the job.
12 July 2004, 04:24 PM
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Agree with PFR 7B.
If reusing a Tek 3 from another car it will need to be checked for det, fuelling, and the boost control will probably be not right. go very cautiously.
If reusing a Tek 3 from another car it will need to be checked for det, fuelling, and the boost control will probably be not right. go very cautiously.
12 July 2004, 05:04 PM
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Will monitor things with knocklink, AFR meter and boost gauge. As per our earlier emails, the map is quite conservative and am keeping to the same spec as the car which it was mapped on, so should hopefully be okay.
Any probs with boost control and I'll use dawes as per advice.
Is it likely that boost control wil not be right, howso?
Either way I'm prepared to have to have the map tweaked if necessary. Using this mapping for a TD05 has got to be better than starting with my current map?
Bob
Any probs with boost control and I'll use dawes as per advice.
Is it likely that boost control wil not be right, howso?
Either way I'm prepared to have to have the map tweaked if necessary. Using this mapping for a TD05 has got to be better than starting with my current map?
Bob
12 July 2004, 05:10 PM
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Was reading EVO last night with the PPP a like test. The fastest upgrade was £15k and produced 1/4mile times of 12.4/12.5 @115mph (from memory). That car does 0-60mph in under 4secs and 0-100mph in 9.4secs!
Can a car of my planned spec really run those times?
Can a car of my planned spec really run those times?
29 August 2004, 11:03 PM
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The complete spec I've decided to go for:
FE-TD05
Ported Headers
2" H&S Uppipe
3" Straight through Mongoose exhaust
STi6 Intercooler
Exedy Organic Clutch
Fidanza Ultralight Flywheel (4.2kgs)
STi Panel Filter
Airbox mod
HKS SSQV
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump
FSE Fuel Pressure Reg
Tek3
Knocklink
Lambdalink
Blitz Boost Gauge
The bits are lying about just waiting to go on.
Dont think I've missed anything?
Bob
FE-TD05
Ported Headers
2" H&S Uppipe
3" Straight through Mongoose exhaust
STi6 Intercooler
Exedy Organic Clutch
Fidanza Ultralight Flywheel (4.2kgs)
STi Panel Filter
Airbox mod
HKS SSQV
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump
FSE Fuel Pressure Reg
Tek3
Knocklink
Lambdalink
Blitz Boost Gauge
The bits are lying about just waiting to go on.
Dont think I've missed anything?
Bob
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