jayrx

hi,
im in the process of having my engine rebuilt with a vf 28 turbo,and a few other bits and bobs.
my concern is that the ECU is going to be restricting all the extra power.
i would like to get 300bhp (if possible,reliable) BUT with paying for a new engine,funds are limited!!
i would really apreciate any info,prices,etc
thanx jamie

Delboy2

Custom mapped scoobyecu

Bats-Wrx

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Apexi power FC mapped for £700.

jayrx

what price am i looking at for the scoobyecu mapped and where??

Delboy2

E-mail either Pavlo or David Wallis m8

jayrx

LOL,just done a search on these,and emailed david for what its worth!!
looks like thease babys are mega mega hard to get hold of.
is there any more options for that sort of money???????????

Trickie

Have u got David Wallis maill addy plz...

Delboy2

Here ya go david@wallis2000.co.uk its in his profile He is also very busy atm

Cheers

Trickie

Thanks Delboy

David_Wallis

Id recommend a power fc personally.. speak to andy forrest.. tell him I sent you

David

jayrx

why the power fc david??? + were can i find mr andy forrest

jayrx

andy f.... your private messages are full

Andy.F

I thought the enhanced scoobynetplus with its 100 message limit would keep me out of problems here, not today though ...........sorted now Jay
Andy

Simon Lines

I have an Apexi complete with hand controller that i'm looking to shift if your interested

Cheers

Simon

Tone Loc

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Simon, you have PM.

If it doesn't get to you e-mail me (toe_scooby@hotmail.com) and let me know how much you want for the Apexi .

Tony.

Scott.T

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Why fit a VF28 to a 93WRX when the turbo you already have is more capable ?
The standard TD05 will run more boost then the VF28.

Also the VF28 wil have to be modified for 90 degree entry.

If you decide to stick with the stock turbo, I know someone that will possible take the VF28 of your hands.

jayrx

the vf 28 turbo was recomended to me to go along with the bigger injectors forged pistons and a few other internel mods,as well as a full decat! so with the apexi power fc i hope to improve fueling and boost,and general driveability,and a 300bhp mark (hopefully)
the tdo5 might be up for sale,its coverd 83,000 though!

Tone Loc

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As scott has said.... why change the Td05. This is more than capable of 350-360bhp, never mind 300bhp. The VF28 will run out of puff long before this, plus the TD05 will produce the same power as the VF28 for less boost. Therefore if your still on the standard (and pretty crap) TMIC this will help your charge temps, thus help you run more timing without the risk of det.

Each to their own but i'd save your money, TD05s are well sort after because of the flexible nature. I will be keeping mine for some time

Tony.

jayrx

furry muff, but why do the p1's and sti v5,6 run the vf 28 and not the tdo5?
i thought the turbo in a stock my93 import wrx would be no way near as capable as a vf in a sti,witch runs 280bhp standerd as opposed to my93 240bhp standerd?
not saying your wrong,but i cant understand how my old turbo could be better?
i will allso be upgrading tmic,to a more suitable item if that makes any differance?
thanx
jamie.

greasemonkey

A variety of reasons, some of which were commercial. As has been said though, assuming your car is a saloon, it has a TD05, which is capable of producing more power than the VF28.

Unfortunately that is an incorrect assumption. The VF28 will be a fraction less laggy, but bearing in mind all the arsing about necessary to fit one into the earlier right angled inlet tract, you would have been far better off sticking with your original turbo.

That just doesn't mean anything. Part of the reason FHI went with smaller turbos on the lower spec cars was to improve throttle response. Another part of the reason they went with IHI turbos is simply because IHI did a very good deal.

That's not exactly what you've been told. The point here is that you've involved yourself in a lot of hassle swapping the turbo you had for another one that's slightly better in some ways, slightly worse in others. If it's not too late, you would be well advised to change this plan and stick with the original turbo.

Yes, I was going to say that the standard slanty will be a real bottleneck, it would be well worth swapping it for one off a later car. Doesn't change the fact that changing your turbo is really a waste of time, effort and money tho, assuming, as said up top, your car is a saloon rather than a wagon.

jayrx

hi, yes its a saloon! ive gone for the vf28 because its brand new and ive managed to get it really cheap,probebly cheaper than the cost of getting the tdo5 cleaned up.
fitting is no problem,as the garadge is fitting it with the engine rebuild.
as for the tmic,what would you suggest for a suitable swap?
or would it be worth considering an aftermarket option?
thanx jamie.

greasemonkey

Silly question, but which garage is doing this job, and do they know that you're replacing a right angle entry turbo with a straight one? Trusting them to do the job is all very well, but on the other hand you also want to be confident that they're not going to f**k it up, or drop a surprise extra bill on you for an unplanned inlet conversion. Same with the engine rebuild itself, it needs to be done right, as there have been far too many stories here about jobs like this being done badly. Is it a Subaru specialist doing the work?

Depends what sort of power ceiling you're looking at, and how much hassle you want to involve yourself in. STi5/6 intercooler will be fine for 300 or just above, although if you're only going for this figure, why are you getting aftermarket pistons and "other" internal bits fitted?

TBH it doesn't sound like there's enough thought and planning gone into this before you started, the spec doesn't seem to make sense from what you've said about it so far. Why are you getting it rebuilt - did you have a failure of some sort?

jayrx

hi,
its beechdale subaru doing the work! the owner being a friend of the family,ive been looking at geting a subaru for the last past year,but with being only 22 with 2 years ncb! insurance was astronomical, untill i decided on the off chance of getting an online quite from tesco! £1800 i could not beleave my luck,i had to check it twice!! the second closest to that had been £3000, how ever this meant i would be a proud owner of subaru impreza turbo.
after hours of scanning the autotrader,i came across an import wrx 93 with 70,000 tracker,ver 6 spoiler,17 speedlines,etc with a price of £6500
at absolute performance in warwickshire.i thought it was the dogs danglers!!!!!!!!!!!
after ownership of 6 monthes (warrenty just out) radiator goes so does the head gasket,and its running on 3 cylinders! so i was a little more than pis*ed off..
my options;
1.sell it as it is and get fek all
2.get a exact recon engine fitted for arond the £1500/£2000 mark
3.or get an engine built by the family friend subaru mechanic with forged pistons vf 28 turbo,uprated internals warrented for £2000
i opted for number 3 as i didint want to sell the car,because ive just got the external looking how i wanted.
so this is were i am present day, waiting for my engine to be built,while i way up the best options to map the car.
along with a few extra mods here and there,my target was 300bhp but who knows it could be even more? my main target is to have a powefull car with a certain amount of reliability
sorry about the life story
cheers jamie.

Tone Loc

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Sorry to **** on your bonfire... have you checked with tesco what these mods will do to the insurance. tesco are well known for not like mods... and i mean exhaust and filter. Not uprated internals or changed turbos!!!!! I have known tesco to either add £100s to the insurance or just plain say they will not insure it anymore!! I'd check ASAP.

You say the engine will have a warranty. With who? IM will be interested to know Beechdale are doing enigine work on a JDM and offering a warranty . Also for the power levels you want will it not be cheaper...i.e half the cost to use standard pistons, rods etc. I also wounldn't just let somebody put 'uprated internals' in my car without knowing the exact spec etc.

As said above, doesn't sound like a well planned job or well informed. Both could be very expensive in the long run.

Tony.

greasemonkey

Oh boy. If I had a quid for every post that involved a family friend doing some work, and subseqently ended in tears, I wouldn't have to work.

F**k. You think an eighteen hundred quid premium is good luck? If you were desperate to get an Impreza, why didn't you consider a normally aspirated one, or a UK spec Turbo? Both would have been cheaper to insure than an import.

Have you received an adequate explanation for the demise of the head gasket and the car dropping onto three? Was the gasket caused by overheating that resulted from coolant loss through the holed rad, or what?

You could have sold it to a Subaru specialist. There are always people interested in buying these cars, in running order or not.

You could have got your engine fixed for far less than that, even without knowing what was wrong with it.

Who's providing the warranty? Beechdale certainly won't be.

As has been said above, the suggestion that you change the existing TD05 for a VF28 is a bad one, period. The TD05 is more than capable of performing well in the 300bhp region, so why on earth would your "friend" suggest you change it? Makes it look as though he/she doesn't know what he/she is talking about.

Lol, I hate to imagine.

As Tony suggests, you would be strongly advised to use some of the downtime contacting your insurer to find out what the implications are. 22 year old driver with two years NCD on a modified WRX is the insurance equivalent of a cold sore nowadays.

Without knowing the exact specification you've been recommended, it's difficult to comment with certainty, but it sounds as though the person advising you doesn't know as much about these cars as you would hope. The turbo change was totally unnecessary for this sort of power, and so, in all likelihood, are the aftermarket pistons.

The other worrying thing is your attitude to the ECU. In your first post on this thread you say you're worried that the current one will be "restricting all the extra power". The first thing you've got to make sure of is that the engine is running safely.

If the chap "advising" you knew what he was on about, he should already have advised you of the importance of getting a custom ECU map (by whatever means). The fact that he apparently hasn't is another sign that he's not as clued up as you would want him to be.

In the circumstances I'd say the main target should be a reliable car you can insure. As for the "powerful, reliable" car, to be blunt, it doesn't sound like the person shepherding you in this has the experience necessary to provide that for you. If it's still possible, a rethink may be a good idea. If not, I hope you really do have a watertight warranty, and also that you find someone willing to insure you at a price you can afford.