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Been dreaming about a new turbo recently and came across the new Garrett G25 series turbos. Garrett claims a smaller frame size with comparable performance to a GTX gen turbo. What are your thoughts on this? Anyone had any hands on experience with them yet?
From a quick search for comparable graphs doesn't look overly impressive, unless im missing what your getting at.
435bhp peak boost at 4k ish on the 2.35 and 430bhp peak boost at 5k on the 2.0 looking at the graphs. SC42/MD231t will out spool and out peak them both of them and the graphs i found are prob a few generations old now as far as the 321 and 42.
The next gen SC series are due in soon and from what i gather the testing has gone rather well.
From a quick search for comparable graphs doesn't look overly impressive, unless im missing what your getting at.
435bhp peak boost at 4k ish on the 2.35 and 430bhp peak boost at 5k on the 2.0 looking at the graphs. SC42/MD231t will out spool and out peak them both of them and the graphs i found are prob a few generations old now as far as the 321 and 42.
The next gen SC series are due in soon and from what i gather the testing has gone rather well.
you're right but sc series are more specific for subarus
i think new g series are comparable with efr series turbos. generally garrett are little conservative for power explanation
they're like efr series internal w/g, speed sensor more compact design etc.
i think new turbine wheel is better gen 2 gtx series but g25 line are not big like gtx30 line
maybe they can make g30 line
some shops are working with new turbos but they're lhd cars i'm not sure they're compatible with rhd cars
all seriousness you cant really compare turbos on different cars, you need to keep the application the same eg 2.5 subaru vs 2.5 subaru, 2.0 golf vs 2.0 golf etc etc to get an idea of how they compare. in th end the only difference is housings as far as carp specificity.
as far and lhd/rhd the sc series are just custom blouch XT's, i dont believe the fitment is any different on LDH/RHD subaru's, all though i confess im not 100% on that
From a quick search for comparable graphs doesn't look overly impressive, unless im missing what your getting at.
435bhp peak boost at 4k ish on the 2.35 and 430bhp peak boost at 5k on the 2.0 looking at the graphs. SC42/MD231t will out spool and out peak them both of them and the graphs i found are prob a few generations old now as far as the 321 and 42.
The next gen SC series are due in soon and from what i gather the testing has gone rather well.
I notice they no longer sell the sc46, is there a replacement for that in the pipeline?
all seriousness you cant really compare turbos on different cars, you need to keep the application the same eg 2.5 subaru vs 2.5 subaru, 2.0 golf vs 2.0 golf etc etc to get an idea of how they compare. in th end the only difference is housings as far as carp specificity.
as far and lhd/rhd the sc series are just custom blouch XT's, i dont believe the fitment is any different on LDH/RHD subaru's, all though i confess im not 100% on that
off course i didn't compare with different setups
i said specific for subarus because our turbine housing etc are more unique then other cars
and for example i really like to see stock location efr series turbo
i like universal turbos more then stock location turbos
i'm 2.0 guy and collect all data for 2.0 liter engine
these photos from killer b spoolinator kit it's not only turbo it's really special kit if you investigate it
i said specific for subarus because our turbine housing etc are more unique then other cars
and for example i really like to see stock location efr series turbo
i like universal turbos more then stock location turbos
i'm 2.0 guy and collect all data for 2.0 liter engine
these photos from killer b spoolinator kit it's not only turbo it's really special kit if you investigate it
there arn't that many true stock location/bolt on turbos in truth, some of the claimed ones you have to do daft things like notch the gearbox cassing or wont mate to the existing inlet pipework etc etc
Running e85 in that and s still didn't crack 500, an sc42 will d0 500 on a meth mix and out spool it. I notice that's had a reverse manifold as well so obviously had a he'll of alot of money spent on it.
As said seems like an ok turbo, but not very impressive results wise.
Running e85 in that and s still didn't crack 500, an sc42 will d0 500 on a meth mix and out spool it. I notice that's had a reverse manifold as well so obviously had a he'll of alot of money spent on it.
As said seems like an ok turbo, but not very impressive results wise.
maybe turbine wheel flow is good but it's like gtx28 range turbo
maybe spools better than 30 but i wonder high boost and high rpm situation
problem with that is you can't always guarantee it will suit the application or work. Until its on a car and tested/results known, your not gonna find out. I know of test turbos that on paper looked good based on their spec, spooled really well when tested but suffered from high back pressure problems so weren't safe to use. Also turbos that looked good on paper but were laggy or just didn't perform top end.
When its on a car, tested and proven then it's worth looking at buying imo, i sure the g25's were sold as great spool/performance etc but to me they don't seem to be proving to be that good compared to existing spec turbo's.
I used to run a custom wheel'd gt2871r and it spooled like a stabbed rat, ran mega torque, but ran out of puff top end, 398bhp 465ftlb. It hit max torque at 4k rpm that was on a 2.5.
The sad thing is you rarely see true back to back test. Even two identically spec'd cars can perform differently, so only way to really test them is to back to back them, same day, same car, same mapper etc etc but who spend 3k on 2 turbos when your only gonna use 1?
problem with that is you can't always guarantee it will suit the application or work. Until its on a car and tested/results known, your not gonna find out. I know of test turbos that on paper looked good based on their spec, spooled really well when tested but suffered from high back pressure problems so weren't safe to use. Also turbos that looked good on paper but were laggy or just didn't perform top end.
When its on a car, tested and proven then it's worth looking at buying imo, i sure the g25's were sold as great spool/performance etc but to me they don't seem to be proving to be that good compared to existing spec turbo's.
I used to run a custom wheel'd gt2871r and it spooled like a stabbed rat, ran mega torque, but ran out of puff top end, 398bhp 465ftlb. It hit max torque at 4k rpm that was on a 2.5.
The sad thing is you rarely see true back to back test. Even two identically spec'd cars can perform differently, so only way to really test them is to back to back them, same day, same car, same mapper etc etc but who spend 3k on 2 turbos when your only gonna use 1?
you're right
i even don't believe forum paper etc.
i think only believe my car my engine
for example i wonder efr7163 single scroll on 2lt engine some says very good some says not if i win the lottery i'll say good or bad
for example i wonder efr7163 single scroll on 2lt engine some says very good some says not if i win the lottery i'll say good or bad
haha plenty of things to try if you have the money
struggling to find a clean dyno run tbh, as in one without e85. reality is there's so many turbos and revisions of those turbo's its very hard to compare even when you do have graphs. US to UK figures arn't really comparable either unfortunately.
haha plenty of things to try if you have the money
struggling to find a clean dyno run tbh, as in one without e85. reality is there's so many turbos and revisions of those turbo's its very hard to compare even when you do have graphs. US to UK figures arn't really comparable either unfortunately.
agree,
e85 allright also other parts are playing big role header etc.
e85 allright also other parts are playing big role header etc.
UK figures are more reliable i think too
its very dependant on dyno, there are some UK ones that are pretty laughable, especially when you start seeing inlet temps 15 degrees colder than ambient lol
GARRETT G25-550
lol
or wont mate to the existing inlet pipework etc etc
