Notices

Can someone run me through in boot fuel systems for newbs

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 22 August 2014, 08:36 PM
  #1  
cookstar
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
cookstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Stroke it baby!
Posts: 33,828
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Can someone run me through in boot fuel systems for newbs

This is a project I want to take on over the winter.

So, I have a 290 pump waiting to be installed, I'm assuming I still fit this (intank) to feed a swirl pot.

Now, I would like to fit twin pumps from the swirl, do these just get "teed" into the main fuel line to FPR?

Can I fit an inline fuel filter in boot?

If anyone can just list the basics of what line goes where that would be super.

I think I will be using AN8 fittings and braided lines. Is that the correct size?

How do I get a AN fitting on the fuel tank cradle for the feed to the swirl?
Old 22 August 2014, 09:35 PM
  #2  
mickywrx
Unmapped 12.4s @ 105
iTrader: (29)
 
mickywrx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Newcastle. 330bhp-289lb/ft @ 1bar boost - 12.4s @ 105mph
Posts: 11,776
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Post

Originally Posted by cookstar
This is a project I want to take on over the winter.

So, I have a 290 pump waiting to be installed, I'm assuming I still fit this (intank) to feed a swirl pot.

Yup

Now, I would like to fit twin pumps from the swirl, do these just get "teed" into the main fuel line to FPR?

What sort of power are you aiming for? A single Bosch 044 might suffice.

Can I fit an inline fuel filter in boot?

You must, IMO.

If anyone can just list the basics of what line goes where that would be super.

In tank pump - swirl pot - inline filter - ext fuel pump/s - OEM/Secondary filter - fuel rail/s - fuel reg - return to tank

I think I will be using AN8 fittings and braided lines. Is that the correct size?

-6 is standard sort of size IIRC

How do I get a AN fitting on the fuel tank cradle for the feed to the swirl?

Get it modified.
You'll need to get someone to weld on a -6/8 fitting to the top of the fuel pump cradle assembly.

Fuel rail gubbins depends if you are staying OEM or parallel set up. Again, get your rails modified, or spend a lot more on billet rails from the likes of RCM/CDF etc.
Old 22 August 2014, 09:40 PM
  #3  
banny sti
Scooby Senior
iTrader: (68)
 
banny sti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Type R
Posts: 16,598
Received 22 Likes on 16 Posts
Default

bosch 044 with a swirl pot will run to over 600bhp
Old 22 August 2014, 09:41 PM
  #4  
johned
Scooby Regular
 
johned's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: derbyshire
Posts: 2,002
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes on 12 Posts
Default

WINTER?.
Old 22 August 2014, 10:29 PM
  #5  
cookstar
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
cookstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Stroke it baby!
Posts: 33,828
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by mickywrx
You'll need to get someone to weld on a -6/8 fitting to the top of the fuel pump cradle assembly.

Fuel rail gubbins depends if you are staying OEM or parallel set up. Again, get your rails modified, or spend a lot more on billet rails from the likes of RCM/CDF etc.
That's great, really helpfull.

I'll probably go for one of those kits that CDF offer for the fuel rails.

where the fuel lines go through the bulkhead do you run the lines through a gromit? I have seen some kind of fixing that has fitting either side? Sorry I'm not sure what it's called.

I'll speak to a mate, he does some welding see if he can do the cradle, I have a spare one of those so that's cool.
Old 22 August 2014, 10:31 PM
  #6  
cookstar
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
cookstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Stroke it baby!
Posts: 33,828
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by banny sti
bosch 044 with a swirl pot will run to over 600bhp
That should be ample for time being, aim is from 500 working up to 600 - 700 in the coming year.
Old 22 August 2014, 10:32 PM
  #7  
cookstar
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
cookstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Stroke it baby!
Posts: 33,828
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by johned
WINTER?.
Old 22 August 2014, 10:37 PM
  #8  
jura11
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (7)
 
jura11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: www.slowboy-racing.co.uk
Posts: 10,523
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Hi there

Yes you will need to use as lift pump yours 290LPH fuel pump,we are used 340LPH

As above single Bosch 044 will be enough for yours needs,twin 044 you are really don't need

And as above -6 should be enough too for yours needs,-8 can be OK too,this really depends on more factors,but we run -6 and those lines has been enough

Yes inline filter is must and I would have look on Torque filters or FueLab and I wouldn't use Sytec fuel filters if you are planning to run meth or race fuel

In yours other thread I've posted picture how it looks

Thanks,Jura
Old 22 August 2014, 10:53 PM
  #9  
cookstar
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
cookstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Stroke it baby!
Posts: 33,828
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by jura11
Hi there

Yes you will need to use as lift pump yours 290LPH fuel pump,we are used 340LPH

As above single Bosch 044 will be enough for yours needs,twin 044 you are really don't need

And as above -6 should be enough too for yours needs,-8 can be OK too,this really depends on more factors,but we run -6 and those lines has been enough

Yes inline filter is must and I would have look on Torque filters or FueLab and I wouldn't use Sytec fuel filters if you are planning to run meth or race fuel

In yours other thread I've posted picture how it looks

Thanks,Jura
Thats helpful thanks mate.
Old 22 August 2014, 10:54 PM
  #10  
cookstar
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
cookstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Stroke it baby!
Posts: 33,828
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

From memory, there is three pipes going to the cradle?

Obv supply and tank return, but what would the third one be?
Old 23 August 2014, 01:51 AM
  #11  
jura11
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (7)
 
jura11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: www.slowboy-racing.co.uk
Posts: 10,523
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by cookstar
From memory, there is three pipes going to the cradle?

Obv supply and tank return, but what would the third one be?
Please have look on those threads

https://www.scoobynet.com/general-te...p-fitment.html

https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...t-set-ups.html

Thanks,Jura
Old 23 August 2014, 01:31 PM
  #12  
FMJ
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
FMJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Salisbury
Posts: 980
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by cookstar
From memory, there is three pipes going to the cradle?

Obv supply and tank return, but what would the third one be?
The third is the jet pump supply which is pulled from the other side of the tank to keep the fuel level even in the saddle bag style tank. The third line that runs to the tank from the bay is the evap hose which goes to two rollover valves on the tank for ventilation.
Old 23 August 2014, 08:08 PM
  #13  
cookstar
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
cookstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Stroke it baby!
Posts: 33,828
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Starting to he my head around this now.

If I were to opt for an in boot tank, to replace the O.E one, I'm taking it the only pump I would need would be the external bosche one?

Last edited by cookstar; 23 August 2014 at 11:05 PM.
Old 23 August 2014, 10:58 PM
  #14  
gussy
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
gussy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: oop north in a spec-c.Now sold and starting on a classic ra track/sprint/road car
Posts: 2,536
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

Yes mine only has 1 as you can see from the photo I have a pot welded into the bottom of the tank to help with fuel surge on corners the tank is foam filled and has internal baffle plates as well to keep the fuel in the centre area of the tank
Old 23 August 2014, 11:06 PM
  #15  
jura11
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (7)
 
jura11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: www.slowboy-racing.co.uk
Posts: 10,523
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by gussy
Yes mine only has 1 as you can see from the photo I have a pot welded into the bottom of the tank to help with fuel surge on corners the tank is foam filled and has internal baffle plates as well to keep the fuel in the centre area of the tank
This looks like work of art,my god looks awesome


Thanks,Jura
Old 23 August 2014, 11:12 PM
  #16  
cookstar
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
cookstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Stroke it baby!
Posts: 33,828
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by gussy
Yes mine only has 1 as you can see from the photo I have a pot welded into the bottom of the tank to help with fuel surge on corners the tank is foam filled and has internal baffle plates as well to keep the fuel in the centre area of the tank
That looks awesome.

Certainly given me some ideas,

I guess there's quite a weight saving to be had between ally tank in boot, compared o the O.E steel tank.
Old 24 August 2014, 06:31 PM
  #17  
gussy
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
gussy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: oop north in a spec-c.Now sold and starting on a classic ra track/sprint/road car
Posts: 2,536
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by cookstar
That looks awesome.

Certainly given me some ideas,

I guess there's quite a weight saving to be had between ally tank in boot, compared o the O.E steel tank.


Bound to be cookstar, I thing I never did was to weight the oem tank and senders and the boot floor when I cut it out. FYI the alloy tank I have hold approx 40ltrs of fuel.
Old 24 August 2014, 06:52 PM
  #18  
cookstar
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
cookstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Stroke it baby!
Posts: 33,828
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by gussy
Bound to be cookstar, I thing I never did was to weight the oem tank and senders and the boot floor when I cut it out. FYI the alloy tank I have hold approx 40ltrs of fuel.

Was that a custom made tank, or off the shelf?
Old 24 August 2014, 08:47 PM
  #19  
gussy
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
gussy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: oop north in a spec-c.Now sold and starting on a classic ra track/sprint/road car
Posts: 2,536
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

The tank was made by prefab who did all the work on my shell and I got it modified by a lad local to me who added the legs to the tank put the angles on the top and added the surge tank in the bottom, any alloy tank firms on E-bay could make one to your design or requirements.
Old 24 August 2014, 10:50 PM
  #20  
FMJ
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
FMJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Salisbury
Posts: 980
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by cookstar
That looks awesome.
I guess there's quite a weight saving to be had between ally tank in boot, compared o the O.E steel tank.
To be honest having just restored an OE tank they are not THAT heavy. Not sure how much lighter an ali one would be as it will be thicker material. Obviously lighter but just not sure how much difference. That tank does look nice but center of gravity wise it's quite nice having it in the OE location low down and in front of the rear wheels instead of high up and further back.
Old 24 August 2014, 11:43 PM
  #21  
gussy
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
gussy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: oop north in a spec-c.Now sold and starting on a classic ra track/sprint/road car
Posts: 2,536
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by FMJ
To be honest having just restored an OE tank they are not THAT heavy. Not sure how much lighter an ali one would be as it will be thicker material. Obviously lighter but just not sure how much difference. That tank does look nice but center of gravity wise it's quite nice having it in the OE location low down and in front of the rear wheels instead of high up and further back.
Its in line with the rear wheels. due to baffle foam and plates no sloshing around of fuel from side to side plus I had to put it into the boot due to this underneath



and this

Old 01 March 2015, 07:52 PM
  #22  
96sti
Scooby Regular
 
96sti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: ashford kent
Posts: 541
Received 21 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

Looks great
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Mattybr5@MB Developments
Full Cars Breaking For Spares
33
29 August 2017 07:18 PM
Mattybr5@MB Developments
Full Cars Breaking For Spares
20
22 October 2015 06:12 AM
TypeR99
ScoobyNet General
0
19 September 2015 10:42 AM
Tonybutt
ScoobyNet General
4
17 September 2015 09:57 PM



Quick Reply: Can someone run me through in boot fuel systems for newbs



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:54 PM.