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12 February 2007, 06:59 AM
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It'll cost you twice that to get a debt collection agency involved over a debt of only £115!!!!!!!!!!
I know it's the principle and everything but if it's going to cost you £70 to get here in the first place then maybe just let it go and learn your lesson!!
What you're suggesting is 'getting the boys round' and that could get you into a whole lot more trouble than the person who owes you this money ... especially if you use less than reputable agencies who like turning on the fisticuffs.
I know it's the principle and everything but if it's going to cost you £70 to get here in the first place then maybe just let it go and learn your lesson!!
What you're suggesting is 'getting the boys round' and that could get you into a whole lot more trouble than the person who owes you this money ... especially if you use less than reputable agencies who like turning on the fisticuffs.
12 February 2007, 08:22 AM
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also if this person hasn't paid you the £115 already ... and I am assuming that you have tried calling, writing and the like ... then it is unlikely that they are going to so posting up on a public forum asking for details of debt collection agencies will not in anyway help your cause. It's also very foolish as the person you are referring to may see the post and know that you are pursuing further means of recovering the debt.
I'd suggest deleting your thread as it is going to get you nowhere.
I'd suggest deleting your thread as it is going to get you nowhere.
12 February 2007, 09:11 AM
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He would win the case ... but if his debtor can't afford to pay him the £115 now then he'd most probably get it over 60 months, as the court would structure some sort of programme. Yeh the damage would be done in the fact that the debtor would get a CCJ against his name and then be fcuked from getting any sort of credit for a very long time but it sounds like shaggy is in need of the cash so what is the point of spending more and going to court??
If you don't need the cash then yeh it's a principle case because (IMO) if somebody screws you out of cash in a deceitfull way then they should never be allowed to get away with it. However if money and cash output is an issue just learn your lesson and in the future buy from reputable traders with a decent history and some sort of limited company to back up their stats
If you don't need the cash then yeh it's a principle case because (IMO) if somebody screws you out of cash in a deceitfull way then they should never be allowed to get away with it. However if money and cash output is an issue just learn your lesson and in the future buy from reputable traders with a decent history and some sort of limited company to back up their stats
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12 February 2007, 09:30 AM
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Can't disagree with Gangsta about the small claims court procedure being uselss if he can't pay, but don't forget that he will end up with a county court judgement registered against him. That will effectively ruin his life for the next 6 years. He won't be able to get credit or even a mobile phone with a bad credit history.
For that reason alone it may well be worth it.
For that reason alone it may well be worth it.
12 February 2007, 09:35 AM
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I think it is defo the principle of the matter that he wants the unnamed person to return his money one way or another... 
it must be as he been SOOOO understanding waiting for so long.. 
it must be as he been SOOOO understanding waiting for so long..
12 February 2007, 09:44 AM
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Cost you in excess of £500 to take the matter to court. A debt collection agency ... a reputable one ... will probably not even take on the debt, unless they were taking an entire book of debt and shaggy's guy/girl is an element of that book.
Yeh it is principle but not enough to make that principle worth following through.
Take the hit and move on!
12 February 2007, 09:50 AM
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Rob,
In some respects I agree with what you are saying. However, 'Fish' needs to be taught a lesson (financially, not physically).
I'm certain if it was you down the £115, you'd be shouting from the rafters, as would I, and would be demanding your money back and trying to get it back anyway you could.
That sort of money maybe small change for you, for others, it can be close to a weeks wages
In some respects I agree with what you are saying. However, 'Fish' needs to be taught a lesson (financially, not physically).
I'm certain if it was you down the £115, you'd be shouting from the rafters, as would I, and would be demanding your money back and trying to get it back anyway you could.
That sort of money maybe small change for you, for others, it can be close to a weeks wages
12 February 2007, 09:57 AM
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£30 to issue in the small claims court. Fish will NOT respond, relying instead on the head in the sand defence. Enter Judgment in default - voila.
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12 February 2007, 10:01 AM
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Rob,
In some respects I agree with what you are saying. However, 'Fish' needs to be taught a lesson (financially, not physically).
I'm certain if it was you down the £115, you'd be shouting from the rafters, as would I, and would be demanding your money back and trying to get it back anyway you could.
That sort of money maybe small change for you, for others, it can be close to a weeks wages
In some respects I agree with what you are saying. However, 'Fish' needs to be taught a lesson (financially, not physically).
I'm certain if it was you down the £115, you'd be shouting from the rafters, as would I, and would be demanding your money back and trying to get it back anyway you could.
That sort of money maybe small change for you, for others, it can be close to a weeks wages
Whether £115 is small change to me or not is not relevant at all ... it will cost maybe 10 times to recover via a court ... a reputable debt collection agency won't even look at it ... and to do it any other way is liable to land shaggy in deep water. Something I'm sure you would advise against because we all can see what is being suggested.
p.s. what does a fish have to do with this. Have I missed something?? Or is this some sort of pond related debt?
12 February 2007, 10:06 AM
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If this debtor can't afford £115 then shaggy's chances of getting the cash are virtually zero. He can declare himself bankrupt or just say he doesn't have the cash to pay and then through some sort of restructuring plan he'll get the money over something stupid like 5-8 years!!
I am basing what I'm saying on what has been said in this thread. It sounds like shaggy needs the entire cash amount now and that is why I am saying any further action is not worth while.
He's better off posting up the name of his debtor and then have 65000 scoobynet members knowing not to deal with that person(s)
12 February 2007, 10:25 AM
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I took a guy to small claims court, paid the £30 or £50 cant remember now. My legal representation was paid for by my insurance company, however this is not a necessity as to be honest it was very informal and easy going.
I won, he couldnt afford the £700 in one hit so agreed to pay me £120 per month until the debt was settled.
Worked fine for me, I didnt incur any costs, even got my initial outlay back in his payments. As well as telephone call costs, travel costs and any other expenses resulting in his idiotic driving.
I for one would go down this route again, as all you will lose is the initial outlay if you do not need legal representation. Just make sure you have all your facts and figures correct.
I think if Shaggy was to stake this claim at his local court then Fish would need to attend, meaning a long journey or worse a no show, which goes down like a **** sandwich in court. Its a really poor situation to be in and go through, but I have found this system to work.
I am sure everyone would have rather this settled another way, but just seeing the posts on this subject leads me to believe it might be the only way.
I won, he couldnt afford the £700 in one hit so agreed to pay me £120 per month until the debt was settled.
Worked fine for me, I didnt incur any costs, even got my initial outlay back in his payments. As well as telephone call costs, travel costs and any other expenses resulting in his idiotic driving.
I for one would go down this route again, as all you will lose is the initial outlay if you do not need legal representation. Just make sure you have all your facts and figures correct.
I think if Shaggy was to stake this claim at his local court then Fish would need to attend, meaning a long journey or worse a no show, which goes down like a **** sandwich in court. Its a really poor situation to be in and go through, but I have found this system to work.
I am sure everyone would have rather this settled another way, but just seeing the posts on this subject leads me to believe it might be the only way.
12 February 2007, 10:30 AM
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You do know what I do don't you Granted £30 will only get you a judgment, you may then choose various methods of enforcement but they are only £30-50 each. You could have the whole thing wrapped up for £100 if you chose to go that far.
12 February 2007, 10:36 AM
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I took a guy to small claims court, paid the £30 or £50 cant remember now. My legal representation was paid for by my insurance company, however this is not a necessity as to be honest it was very informal and easy going.
I won, he couldnt afford the £700 in one hit so agreed to pay me £120 per month until the debt was settled.
Worked fine for me, I didnt incur any costs, even got my initial outlay back in his payments. As well as telephone call costs, travel costs and any other expenses resulting in his idiotic driving.
I for one would go down this route again, as all you will lose is the initial outlay if you do not need legal representation. Just make sure you have all your facts and figures correct.
I think if Shaggy was to stake this claim at his local court then Fish would need to attend, meaning a long journey or worse a no show, which goes down like a **** sandwich in court. Its a really poor situation to be in and go through, but I have found this system to work.
I am sure everyone would have rather this settled another way, but just seeing the posts on this subject leads me to believe it might be the only way.
I won, he couldnt afford the £700 in one hit so agreed to pay me £120 per month until the debt was settled.
Worked fine for me, I didnt incur any costs, even got my initial outlay back in his payments. As well as telephone call costs, travel costs and any other expenses resulting in his idiotic driving.
I for one would go down this route again, as all you will lose is the initial outlay if you do not need legal representation. Just make sure you have all your facts and figures correct.
I think if Shaggy was to stake this claim at his local court then Fish would need to attend, meaning a long journey or worse a no show, which goes down like a **** sandwich in court. Its a really poor situation to be in and go through, but I have found this system to work.
I am sure everyone would have rather this settled another way, but just seeing the posts on this subject leads me to believe it might be the only way.
Oh yeh no doubt that the courts work as you WILL get the money if you win ... but for £115?? Over £500 then yeh no question, no hesitation ... to court you go.
however in saying all this a CCJ means almost nothing these days with so many people having them. If Fish is willing to pay 40% apr then he'll be able to get a loan with no problems at all. Or declare himself bankrupt and start all over again in three years time.
Debt is becoming so normal now that all this CCJ and bad credit history carries almost no weight whatsover! I know that is a contradiction to what I said earlier!
12 February 2007, 10:39 AM
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Just stating the real costs coming from my recent experiences in taking someone to court. Sounds like I did things the wrong way by your costing example!
12 February 2007, 10:44 AM
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That is based on a simple claim, with no possibility of a defence/counterclaim and with you doing it yourself. Claims can get much more complicated than that trust me
12 February 2007, 10:49 AM
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That would make me petty and vindictive I suppose, but the feeling that you are being stitched up is a bitter pill to swallow.
12 February 2007, 10:53 AM
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wait a second ... didn't this fish bloke post up a few days back saying he had some family issues which is why he has been unavailable??? I remember reading a post to that effect by him.
If he turns over a large amount of stock then he may be dealing with much bigger orders which is why he hasn't got down to Shaggy's yet. Yeh that is not good but I myself know that sometimes you just don't have the time after coming back from a two/three week absence to read every single email from all your smaller (but nonetheless important) clients.
Perhaps a few more weeks grace should be extended in this instance ...
Someone correct me if I'm wrong with the above but I'm sure I read a post from fish somewhere to that effect.
If he turns over a large amount of stock then he may be dealing with much bigger orders which is why he hasn't got down to Shaggy's yet. Yeh that is not good but I myself know that sometimes you just don't have the time after coming back from a two/three week absence to read every single email from all your smaller (but nonetheless important) clients.
Perhaps a few more weeks grace should be extended in this instance ...
Someone correct me if I'm wrong with the above but I'm sure I read a post from fish somewhere to that effect.