large1

hi guys, firstly id like to say hello, im on a few car forums and this is another as ive owned a scooby for many years, i had a jap import mapped etc some time ago whicha was kin quick full decat etc but it wasnt reliable and i blew the engine 2 times before i decided to sell it and get a 1999 UK model standard unmolested 220 bhp, ive fitted a hks dump valve, blitz panel filter and a prodrive back box, ive got a itch guys and im thinking of changing the ecu to a prodrive unit, vf 28 turbo, uprated fuel pump, and ive already got 440cc injectors standard, ive read several posts but cant seem to find my answer and needed to post.

if i get the required ecu is it just a straight swap??

will it need recoding to my car system/alarm??

will it need cam/crank rewiring??

im not a complete newbie as ive modified many cars in the the past, and fitted a complete engine in my old scooby, any help is apprec guys thanx mick

Gambit

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Prodrive ecu will only run against td04 turbo. If you intend changing to vf28 then you are better off getting an ecutek remap on your std turbo

large1

well that was my intention of fitting a vf28 too, i understand what your saying but surely this is by far a cheaper route no???

ive read loads of threads on here today and the ecutek is £500 alone for a licence isnt it???

i was looking at £225 for the vf28
£200 ecu
£75 wlbro pump

so same price but id still need a remap at £150 so total of £650 and i dont think my uk model will make the same power will it

any help and advice i always appreciate guys thanx mick

Gambit

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The std or prodrive ecu will not run a vf28. So if you buy a prodrive ecu for 200 you will still need to pay 500 for an ecutek remap on it.

There is no quick fix unfortunately for turbo swaps.

large1

the prodrive ecu is the same as a jdm sti v5 and has a vf28 fitted as standard matey so what would be the difference, i know the uk2000 doesnt have a sti engine in it but if i put the same turbo/ecu as the jdm when its just a slighty different engine isnt it

Gambit

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I assume you are talking about the P1 ecu? It is in no way compatible with a uk turbo2000. The prodrive ecu for uk turbo2000 is for td04.

joey_turbo

iTrader: (26)

The Prodrive ECU for a MY99-00 has a pink STi label and says SP in big letters.
I'm sure I've heard they have an EcuTek licence on them, so if you get one cheap enough, a remap would be cheaper still.

Turbotits

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No it wouldnt. The prodrive ecutek ecu's are locked so that no one else can use the licence. Can still be mapped ofcourse but licence has to be paid for

large1

the guy i would be buying from has a vf28 on a v5 1999 prodrive and the ecu is a 1b, its not got a td04 on it matey

so is a 1b ecu not a prodrive unit then its only a SP on v5/v6

Gambit

iTrader: (6)

I assume you mean an IB which is the ecu from a P1 & v5/6 sti

it will not run on a uk turbo2000

large1

yes its a IB ecu, so basically from what your saying theres NO ecu that i can fit in my UK v5 turbo 2000 that will offer me any addition power with going Ecutek thanx again mick

Gambit

iTrader: (6)

The only ecu you can fit is the prodrive one for 99/00 uk turbo's which is the SP one. It is a straight fit no need to recode keys etc. And will give you a performance hike especially in mid-range

Once you change the turbo then you need ecutek

also, have a read at the other thread here talking about the E3 ecu
https://www.scoobynet.com/engine-management-and-ecu-remapping-453/990134-my99-ecu-e3-a800.html again this is on td04 turbo

large1

thanx boss ill have a read appreciate your help too thanx mick

large1

looking at other options now as if i get the sp ecu and a vf turbo it will still need mapping so unless i just put the sp in and left it at that,

but what about a apexi/power fc 2nd hand if i can get one, this only incurs the price of the unit/turbo/map no licence???

input welcome guys

Gambit

iTrader: (6)

you have to buy the apexi, then you have to pay someone to map it. so you are in the same boat all over again

large1

point taken but do i have to pay for a licence on the apexi boss

Gambit

iTrader: (6)

No license cost on apexi

When you pay for ecutek you pay for the initial map & license, that can cost between 450-550 depending on who you purchase from. Once you map it the license remains on ecu, and any future remaps are usually 150 less as you are only paying for mappers time.

large1

thanx boss so i see what you mean, if i bought a apexi say @ £350 then map @ 150 equals £500

so the 450-550 you say above inludes the board,licence and map

so no difference am i correct gam??

so id be better off fitting a vf28 or eqivalent and then getting ecu sorted also id need a walbro pump i think too

this is my intented setup

v5/6 uk2000
vf28
mapped ecu
blitz panel filter
440cc injectors
walbro 255 pump
hks dump valve
maybe a sti tmic

what bhp would i see boss

thanx again mick

Gambit

iTrader: (6)

Correct!!

Vf28, you are probably talking 300-330bhp. Your car as std has 440cc injectors

jaygsi

iTrader: (46)

I have my SP prodrive ECU here not fitted yet as was thinking of going down ESL route

Gambit

iTrader: (6)

Cant do esl on 99/00 cars tho?

Jolly Green Monster

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There is an alternative although not coming in much different cost wise bug cheaper then an after market ecu and has mafless option on. 99. Eculabs, only just started using it. Seems v good.

Simon

large1

thanx guys forgot to add im sticking with my standard d/p and exhaust apart from i have a prodrive back box so i know ill lose BHP but i need to keep neighbours happy pmsl, my old scooby had a full race decat and hks exhaust which i can tell you breathed well as the car was a wrx v4 import which was had a uprated ecu too. so jgm where are you and what would you charge me for a ecutek/licence/map and where are you

thanx guys mick

jaygsi

iTrader: (46)

Well mine is 1998, i don't know if the prodrive ECU will fit yet, not tried it

large1

also if i buy a black e3 ecu for my car as a spare if i want to put back after to standard and sell the ecutek e3 that i get done will i need the spare ecu code key or will it work just by plugging straight in, i know the v5/v6 dont need the key on the SP prodrive ecu

again thanx

large1

if the ecu has a pink sp on it and is from a v5/v6 car then it should be ok on a 1998 v5 but use the search and check boss

EDIT id check to make sure sure you have a v5 as 1998 can be v4 too, check the ecu currently fitted in the car, if youve bought a v5 sp ecu and yours is a v4 version the ecu wont work mate

Gambit

iTrader: (6)

if your car has its coil slap bang in centre of the inlet manifold then its a v4 and it wont run an SP ecu

if the coil is off centre to the right hand/passenger side then its a v5 and it will run it

the E3 ecu is plug & play yes, so you have no need to code any keys BUT if you have changed parameters from standard, such as turbo etc then no you cannot just slot a std E3 ecu back in, unless you return the car to std trim

large1

thanx sir just waiting for jgm to give me a rough quote for my e3 to be ecutek'ed/licenced and mapped

Jolly Green Monster

iTrader: (4)

Sorry for delay, missed this. Ecutek is. £660 including dyno or travel to you.
Based south east but travel all over. Hoping the eculabs will come in at similar money with mafless option.

Simon

large1

thanx si im in brighton so not far anywayz, so thats everything for the e3 mapped?? would i need a better tmic if im changing the turbo too for better hp??

thanx