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Old 11 October 2014, 01:07 PM
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Helo all
Got my car in for a map nextweek. Am going for ESL anyone no if I can get a "user switchable map " its there for the 96>. I no I can't get AL or LC yet but can't find no info about the switchable map for a 93wrx

Appreciate any advice
Old 12 October 2014, 01:24 PM
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Don't use switchable maps on mine as have reset ecu each time if just to run less boost just use less throttle
Old 12 October 2014, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaysz
Don't use switchable maps on mine as have reset ecu each time if just to run less boost just use less throttle
what year is your car?
was the option available for a switchable map wen you got ur ESL?
Old 12 October 2014, 04:17 PM
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I have ESL for my 97 car and it has two switchable maps. It's done by the throttle pedal and ignition switch. Easy to do. I'm sure switchable maps are available for the 92-96 ESL too.
Old 12 October 2014, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by piehole1983
I have ESL for my 97 car and it has two switchable maps. It's done by the throttle pedal and ignition switch. Easy to do. I'm sure switchable maps are available for the 92-96 ESL too.
Why have switchable maps if you arent using race fuel etc? Seems pointless
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Map switching is available:

http://www.enduringsolutions.com/wp-.../04/Manual.pdf

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Originally Posted by JGlanzaV
Why have switchable maps if you arent using race fuel etc? Seems pointless
I don't use it. Have been thinking about making a "slow" map as a security measure in case someone decides to take my car. Low speed limit, no boost and so on.
Old 13 October 2014, 12:25 PM
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Thanks for the reply people. just spoke to Andy and you can get it on the V1. anyone no if that means I can get 1 map for ECO for long drives and 1 map for race ? That can changes at the flick of a switch?
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You can have both maps set up how u want
On my v3 to swap maps have to switch car of use ignition and throttle pedal and that also resets the ecu each time
Eco in a subaru lol
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As above, you have to turn the car off, press the accelerator pedal and switch back on to swap maps.
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Read the guide I posted, says everything you want to know.
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Originally Posted by Jaysz
and that also resets the ecu each time
Does it? So all the learned data will be lost?
Old 13 October 2014, 09:15 PM
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Thanks for the replys everyone.

That's a interesting way of changing maps lol got mine on firday can't wait to see what result I get after all the work I done




Originally Posted by piehole1983
Read the guide I posted, says everything you want to know.
Just had a read nice one
Old 13 October 2014, 09:25 PM
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When I say ECO I mean I want a map wer everything runs at low pressure because I drive 240mils every 2 weeks 120miles non stop there and back.
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Originally Posted by piehole1983
Does it? So all the learned data will be lost?
Yeah and not sure how long it takes re adjust
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Originally Posted by WRXghost
When I say ECO I mean I want a map wer everything runs at low pressure because I drive 240mils every 2 weeks 120miles non stop there and back.
And again, what is the point in that?

You just use the accelerator pedal less if you want less pressure.... You don't need to pay more for 2 maps. Have one map and learn to drive it properly. A second map won't save you fuel etc lol.

And how often are you on full boost for a 120 mile non stop motorway drive? Never to very rarely I imagine...

Its only useful if you are planning on running methanol, water injection, race fuel etc as you can have one for normal fuel and one for the above.
Old 14 October 2014, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by JGlanzaV
And again, what is the point in that?

You just use the accelerator pedal less if you want less pressure.... You don't need to pay more for 2 maps. Have one map and learn to drive it properly. A second map won't save you fuel etc lol.

And how often are you on full boost for a 120 mile non stop motorway drive? Never to very rarely I imagine...

Its only useful if you are planning on running methanol, water injection, race fuel etc as you can have one for normal fuel and one for the above.
Good point. It's my first map and I only had my subs a few months so still learning . Thanks for the advice I wote need 2maps if that's the case

Wen am at 65mph the revs are around 3.5rpm witch seems/sounds hight for the speed and wen I tap the throttle slightly the turbo kiks in is that the norm for subs?
Old 14 October 2014, 11:24 AM
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Sounds like same gearbox as mine, 3000 rpm is 60mph, I do a 90 mile trip at weekends then 90 mile home, I brimmed my tank and done one way on the 1st quarter which I was very surprised at, on way home it used half a tank doing 70/80 and a Lil bit of boosting here and there
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Originally Posted by *matthewturb2000*
Sounds like same gearbox as mine, 3000 rpm is 60mph, I do a 90 mile trip at weekends then 90 mile home, I brimmed my tank and done one way on the 1st quarter which I was very surprised at, on way home it used half a tank doing 70/80 and a Lil bit of boosting here and there
Thats ok if it's norm it's costs me £50 fuel ther and £50 back lol but it's worth it. i just dint no if that's normal It sound hard on the engine to do them revs for so long at a low speed.
Old 14 October 2014, 12:02 PM
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Sit at 3000 rpm youl cut feul bill a Lil bit, if you got a boost gauge keep it below or on the 0,its very boring on the motorway sitting behind lorrys lol
Old 14 October 2014, 03:45 PM
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I sit at 50mph then the revs be at 2.5rpm that's wen the lorries and buss overtake me lol I just don't want my engine to blow. If its 4000rpm at 70-75mph for a long time (1hour 30min minimum) will that do damage to the internals of my engine or turbo ? Think I mite have to look into a 6speed
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Ok, there are loads of reasons for twin maps. Different fuels, valet mode with rev limit, different boost settings, motorsport functions enabled/disabled, pops and bangs on one map and not another etc etc.

If you want economy you can map the area used for motorway cruise to be leaner than 14.7-1. I ran my last MY98 Wrx at 15.5-1 which gave probably 0.5mpg, or less, increase at 3.5k rpm in 5th.

What did help was the lpg conversion. Equivalent of 44mpg based on fuel costs at the time.
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Twin maps are an essential component of any modern mapping system now, although their utility is not always maximised.

When people spend alot of money chasing power figures, one of the big benefits of a second map is an in tank meth mix. Meth is cheaper than SUL, moves the det point way up the road (on my 550hp wagon det occurs after peak power with 20% meth, which is nice) and gives about 10% extra power for zero cost.

Other uses (on ESL at least) have included a towing map (very good this one as the load characteristics can be very different), as well as 95/99RON, 99RON/Race fuel, hi/lo boost, fast road/econ, security map (prevent the car from starting), valet map, wet and dry Motorsports settings, etc etc. It's only really limited by your imagination. In the case of ESL, the entire map is replicated, not just parameter subsets, so it really is like having two ECUs at your disposal.
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