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28 August 2005, 08:27 PM
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Yup, you need some nice open space though, you dont need the handbrake (not recommended anyway) you just have to flick the car right then left, can take some getting use to though, doesnt do the tyres much good though 
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28 August 2005, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
Yup, you need some nice open space though, you dont need the handbrake (not recommended anyway) you just have to flick the car right then left, can take some getting use to though, doesnt do the tyres much good though
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Wet day full stop. Managed to get mine pretty much sideways exiting a roundabout the other day, not intentional mind. Road was wet and gave it too much gas in second and out she went. First time this has happend to me in a 4x4. Used to drivin sierra's so luckily managed to pull her back quite quick which was licky as i dont condone this driving style on the open roads. Dont think the guy behind was impressed though.
30 August 2005, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by KeithRS
Wet day full stop. Managed to get mine pretty much sideways exiting a roundabout the other day, not intentional mind. Road was wet and gave it too much gas in second and out she went. First time this has happend to me in a 4x4. Used to drivin sierra's so luckily managed to pull her back quite quick which was licky as i dont condone this driving style on the open roads. Dont think the guy behind was impressed though.
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I booted it in 1st with some lock on out of a turning the other day (pissing down with rain) and sure enough, the back end came nicely round. Felt very controllable. Had a slight oversteer moment this evening, but that's another story....
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I can get my 03 Sti import into a drift, not fully sideways, round pretty much most coners, especially around roundabouts in they dry. It's all about gas, release, flick, gas. the joy comes when you find the limit and balance it, but the whole scenario is different to a rwd car. not as extreme but it makes you work for it
28 September 2005, 03:09 PM
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I find it most satisfying when intentionally kicking the back and virtually pre-empting this with the appropriate lock (split seconds after the rear begins to break loose). Keep the power on and regulate the length of the the slide with the throttle. As ever, play safe and practice at an airfield or big open space.
As an aside, my car has very lttle weight at the rear
(titanium system, no spare, ally struts etc) and REO40s which aren't that good in the wet. The torque split on the RA is more rear biased then that of say a UK car, so it is easier for me to kick the back out. To predictably prevoke the loss of traction select the gear and speed which puts the turbo right at spool up point, open the throttle and then partially close or fully open according to what the seat of your pants and the steering wheel is telling you.
(JTaylor does not condone sideways tomfoolery on the public highway and will not be held responsible if reader stuffs car into armco
).
As an aside, my car has very lttle weight at the rear
(titanium system, no spare, ally struts etc) and REO40s which aren't that good in the wet. The torque split on the RA is more rear biased then that of say a UK car, so it is easier for me to kick the back out. To predictably prevoke the loss of traction select the gear and speed which puts the turbo right at spool up point, open the throttle and then partially close or fully open according to what the seat of your pants and the steering wheel is telling you.
(JTaylor does not condone sideways tomfoolery on the public highway and will not be held responsible if reader stuffs car into armco
).
28 September 2005, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
I find it most satisfying when intentionally kicking the back and virtually pre-empting this with the appropriate lock (split seconds after the rear begins to break loose). Keep the power on and regulate the length of the the slide with the throttle. As ever, play safe and practice at an airfield or big open space.
As an aside, my car has very lttle weight at the rear
(titanium system, no spare, ally struts etc) and REO40s which aren't that good in the wet. The torque split on the RA is more rear biased then that of say a UK car, so it is easier for me to kick the back out. To predictably prevoke the loss of traction select the gear and speed which puts the turbo right at spool up point, open the throttle and then partially close or fully open according to what the seat of your pants and the steering wheel is telling you.
(JTaylor does not condone sideways tomfoolery on the public highway and will not be held responsible if reader stuffs car into armco).
As an aside, my car has very lttle weight at the rear
(titanium system, no spare, ally struts etc) and REO40s which aren't that good in the wet. The torque split on the RA is more rear biased then that of say a UK car, so it is easier for me to kick the back out. To predictably prevoke the loss of traction select the gear and speed which puts the turbo right at spool up point, open the throttle and then partially close or fully open according to what the seat of your pants and the steering wheel is telling you.
(JTaylor does not condone sideways tomfoolery on the public highway and will not be held responsible if reader stuffs car into armco
).
28 September 2005, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SCOOBYD00
did all the RA's come with DCCD?
MY WRX RA has (apparently) a 50:50 torque split, with the diff set-up and light rear making it oversteer biased. Some confusing, but worthwhile reading here.
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453917
I would be able to do this for example
http://69.93.123.230/scoobypt/videos/donuts.mpg
but it would take far more coaxing and unsettling then a DCCD equipped car with say 60-70% torque split to the rear. Put my car back to standard then it would be harder still, dry weather = very difficult, Standard UK car even harder and virtually impossible in the dry unless you're fully committed and understand the physics of weight transfer via the Norweigan flick, left braking etc.
Lots and lots of variables to consider and with so many combinations of driver and car it's always difficult to be concise.
Good reading here
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...ighlight=drift
and here
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...ighlight=drift
and throughtout the rest of driving dynamics. As ever, (really sorry to sound preachy, but I've learnt the hardway) it's so important to practice these techniques safely at a skid pan or airfield day. Better still book yourself onto one of Don Palmers days.
http://www.drivingdevelopment.co.uk/carcontrol.htm
Sometimes people talk about saving this sort of thing for trackdays. I say nonsense; you'll either stuff your car into the armco or someone else and when you spin every one behind you has to alter their line.
Having said all of the above, there is nothing more satisying then being able to express yourself in a car.
J
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28 September 2005, 05:58 PM
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you can get them to go sideways but its easier to flick it, this puts it into a drift no worries but practice somewhere quiet and in a wide area, once you know how to do it you can make the car go sideways virtually anywhere.
28 September 2005, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Some STI RAs did. The WRX RAs never did although DCCD could, theoretically, be fitted retrospectively.
MY WRX RA has (apparently) a 50:50 torque split, with the diff set-up and light rear making it oversteer biased. Some confusing, but worthwhile reading here.
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453917
I would be able to do this for example
http://69.93.123.230/scoobypt/videos/donuts.mpg
but it would take far more coaxing and unsettling then a DCCD equipped car with say 60-70% torque split to the rear. Put my car back to standard then it would be harder still, dry weather = very difficult, Standard UK car even harder and virtually impossible in the dry unless you're fully committed and understand the physics of weight transfer via the Norweigan flick, left braking etc.
Lots and lots of variables to consider and with so many combinations of driver and car it's always difficult to be concise.
Good reading here
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...ighlight=drift
and here
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...ighlight=drift
and throughtout the rest of driving dynamics. As ever, (really sorry to sound preachy, but I've learnt the hardway) it's so important to practice these techniques safely at a skid pan or airfield day. Better still book yourself onto one of Don Palmers days.
http://www.drivingdevelopment.co.uk/carcontrol.htm
Sometimes people talk about saving this sort of thing for trackdays. I say nonsense; you'll either stuff your car into the armco or someone else and when you spin every one behind you has to alter their line.
Having said all of the above, there is nothing more satisying then being able to express yourself in a car.
J
MY WRX RA has (apparently) a 50:50 torque split, with the diff set-up and light rear making it oversteer biased. Some confusing, but worthwhile reading here.
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453917
I would be able to do this for example
http://69.93.123.230/scoobypt/videos/donuts.mpg
but it would take far more coaxing and unsettling then a DCCD equipped car with say 60-70% torque split to the rear. Put my car back to standard then it would be harder still, dry weather = very difficult, Standard UK car even harder and virtually impossible in the dry unless you're fully committed and understand the physics of weight transfer via the Norweigan flick, left braking etc.
Lots and lots of variables to consider and with so many combinations of driver and car it's always difficult to be concise.
Good reading here
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...ighlight=drift
and here
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...ighlight=drift
and throughtout the rest of driving dynamics. As ever, (really sorry to sound preachy, but I've learnt the hardway) it's so important to practice these techniques safely at a skid pan or airfield day. Better still book yourself onto one of Don Palmers days.
http://www.drivingdevelopment.co.uk/carcontrol.htm
Sometimes people talk about saving this sort of thing for trackdays. I say nonsense; you'll either stuff your car into the armco or someone else and when you spin every one behind you has to alter their line.
Having said all of the above, there is nothing more satisying then being able to express yourself in a car.
J
29 September 2005, 02:28 AM
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a little bit of rain and a blip in 2nd around a roundabout should get the back out very easily... had it sliding beautifully the other day (P1...no dccd). Failing that, in the dry, it lift off oversteers as visious as any front wheel drive car...try that... problem is u need to be going pretty damn fast to get this to happen.
29 September 2005, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Sideways, the way forward
a little bit of rain and a blip in 2nd around a roundabout should get the back out very easily... had it sliding beautifully the other day (P1...no dccd). Failing that, in the dry, it lift off oversteers as visious as any front wheel drive car...try that... problem is u need to be going pretty damn fast to get this to happen.
