Knackered Gearbox :( MY99
11 March 2005, 01:22 AM
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Knackered Gearbox :( MY99
Hi ive just driven back home and the Gearbox has broke 
It has been making a rattling noise in 3rd for about 2 days, i pulled off and gave it some stick in 2nd.. moved to 3rd again put foot down.... revs went off scale and grinding noise.... it continued along road for another 1/2 Mile or so i could still move gears etc and all but 3rd worked..
then i could not move out of 2nd... recovery got it out of gear and it moves between gears 3-4-5 but you cant select 1st or 2nd... its been towed away and will be taken to Subaru Garage in the morning.
Never had anything go wrong with car and always serviced at main dealer.
what do you recon the cost of this is going to be? and is subaru the best place to go or is it twice as much there?!
any help appriciated... gutted, car has given me so much pleasure, plus i cant get to work now
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It has been making a rattling noise in 3rd for about 2 days, i pulled off and gave it some stick in 2nd.. moved to 3rd again put foot down.... revs went off scale and grinding noise.... it continued along road for another 1/2 Mile or so i could still move gears etc and all but 3rd worked..
then i could not move out of 2nd... recovery got it out of gear and it moves between gears 3-4-5 but you cant select 1st or 2nd... its been towed away and will be taken to Subaru Garage in the morning.
Never had anything go wrong with car and always serviced at main dealer.
what do you recon the cost of this is going to be? and is subaru the best place to go or is it twice as much there?!
any help appriciated... gutted, car has given me so much pleasure, plus i cant get to work now
Cheers
Leon
11 March 2005, 06:17 PM
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Where abouts are they? i live in Stafford / Staffordshire are they miles away?
Its in the Subaru garage now, luckily im on good terms with them, they always give me some disount on parts etc.. however after speaking its all Labour charges mostly.. he said about £350 labour min to strip down and rebuild, he said it may be just a pin or something come out, if its shredded gears then it gets expensive... may need to take apart further, get bearings pressed out etc..
He suggested i look on net for a second hand box just in case, they dont start work till next week so can still go elsewhere...
any ideas where i could get one? with at least some gurantee?
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Leon
Its in the Subaru garage now, luckily im on good terms with them, they always give me some disount on parts etc.. however after speaking its all Labour charges mostly.. he said about £350 labour min to strip down and rebuild, he said it may be just a pin or something come out, if its shredded gears then it gets expensive... may need to take apart further, get bearings pressed out etc..
He suggested i look on net for a second hand box just in case, they dont start work till next week so can still go elsewhere...
any ideas where i could get one? with at least some gurantee?
Cheers
Leon
11 March 2005, 08:21 PM
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Found this advert mate - might get you out of trouble very cheaply?
"""Gearbox for a 2000 Impreza Turbo.
Subaru took it apart thinking there was a problem when all along the problem was with the external linkage!
By the time they had realised they had put a new one in.
It was only out of suspicion we asked to see the old one and caught them!
Only had done 29,000 miles and it is in three parts. As the gearbox is in the three sections you can clearly see it''s an unabused box with all the gears as new.
All it needs is putting back together.
£90
Chelmsford
Tel:- 01245323024"""
I don't know anything about the item, just saw it and thought it may help you?
Pete
"""Gearbox for a 2000 Impreza Turbo.
Subaru took it apart thinking there was a problem when all along the problem was with the external linkage!
By the time they had realised they had put a new one in.
It was only out of suspicion we asked to see the old one and caught them!
Only had done 29,000 miles and it is in three parts. As the gearbox is in the three sections you can clearly see it''s an unabused box with all the gears as new.
All it needs is putting back together.
£90
Chelmsford
Tel:- 01245323024"""
I don't know anything about the item, just saw it and thought it may help you?
Pete
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Excellent...
That is brilliant, Il give them a ring tommorow and have a chat to them, might be worth getting that just incase... They are not opening it up till mon/tue but i fear the worst so as you say that may save me Loads 
. what a great response ive had, i used to be a member a while back but lost my details, everyone was always helpful but i never had a serious issue like this one!
thanks again il keep you posted...
P.S do you think its worth replacing the clutch while everything is out... Ive had the car from about 12months old and ive covered 78K now, just thinking while its all out id only have to pay for parts..? rather than in 6 / 12 months having the clutch go on me!
Leon
. what a great response ive had, i used to be a member a while back but lost my details, everyone was always helpful but i never had a serious issue like this one! thanks again il keep you posted...
P.S do you think its worth replacing the clutch while everything is out... Ive had the car from about 12months old and ive covered 78K now, just thinking while its all out id only have to pay for parts..? rather than in 6 / 12 months having the clutch go on me!
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15 March 2005, 02:59 PM
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oh dear
Not good.. just rang garage and when they drained the box it was full of bits of metal and broken bits... The mechanic is off ill ! typical...
But its not looking good, ive rang the number above but no answer so left a messege..
if i get no joy from them does anyone know where i could look for a second hand box?
any help appriciated
Leon
But its not looking good, ive rang the number above but no answer so left a messege..
if i get no joy from them does anyone know where i could look for a second hand box?
any help appriciated
Leon
15 March 2005, 04:10 PM
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If you described it as you did in your 1st post, then they should have know its shredded 3rd gear. Exactly what my 1st thoughts were when ready it. The crap it chucked around the box, will have caused 1/2 to become difficult to select.
This happened to me 2 years ago, and i carried on driving as i need to be somewhere. 130miles later, all i had was 2nd, 4th and reverse.
Tell the garage not to touch it anymore, you will have it collected and send it to David at API, he may well have one already built up, so will just exchange a built box for the knackered box.
Alternatively search on here for a 2nd hand box, for circa £500, but that wont come with a warranty, which i think API do.
Steven
This happened to me 2 years ago, and i carried on driving as i need to be somewhere. 130miles later, all i had was 2nd, 4th and reverse.
Tell the garage not to touch it anymore, you will have it collected and send it to David at API, he may well have one already built up, so will just exchange a built box for the knackered box.
Alternatively search on here for a 2nd hand box, for circa £500, but that wont come with a warranty, which i think API do.
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15 March 2005, 06:27 PM
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is this the web site you mean? (API)
http://www.apiengines.com/index3.php
Where abouts in the country are they? Leamington Spa / Warwick area? (judging from phone number)
cheers
Leon
P.S most people i spoke to seem to recommend changing the clutch while its all out.. Subaru recon £350ish for part! i noticed on Scoobymania you cant get an AP clutch for that... any thoughts on this?
http://www.apiengines.com/index3.php
Where abouts in the country are they? Leamington Spa / Warwick area? (judging from phone number)
cheers
Leon
P.S most people i spoke to seem to recommend changing the clutch while its all out.. Subaru recon £350ish for part! i noticed on Scoobymania you cant get an AP clutch for that... any thoughts on this?
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16 March 2005, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by P20SPD
If you described it as you did in your 1st post, then they should have know its shredded 3rd gear. Exactly what my 1st thoughts were when ready it. The crap it chucked around the box, will have caused 1/2 to become difficult to select.
This happened to me 2 years ago, and i carried on driving as i need to be somewhere. 130miles later, all i had was 2nd, 4th and reverse.
Tell the garage not to touch it anymore, you will have it collected and send it to David at API, he may well have one already built up, so will just exchange a built box for the knackered box.
Alternatively search on here for a 2nd hand box, for circa £500, but that wont come with a warranty, which i think API do.
Steven
This happened to me 2 years ago, and i carried on driving as i need to be somewhere. 130miles later, all i had was 2nd, 4th and reverse.
Tell the garage not to touch it anymore, you will have it collected and send it to David at API, he may well have one already built up, so will just exchange a built box for the knackered box.
Alternatively search on here for a 2nd hand box, for circa £500, but that wont come with a warranty, which i think API do.
Steven
Sounds like you have shagged third gear 2 options really.... Source a second hand unit off here, as I did for one of them and bought P20SPD that was new from Subaru before he went down the six speed route
so had a few miles on it, but proved to be a good box. Most people on here are really honest, fortunately.2nd option is a rebuilt gearbox with stronger internals (along with a lighened flywheel, etc) that cost mate number two £2800, which is very expensive. Car was sold last week for £3500, so you need to weigh up what you plan to do with the car in the future mate.
Hope this helps, Phill
16 March 2005, 01:32 PM
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Geraboxes im gonna have nightmares later now 
Mine was off the rd for 6mths as new one is £2832 if i remember correctly.
Did not consider getting a new one just be patient and wait for a 2nd hand on to turn up
Mine was off the rd for 6mths as new one is £2832 if i remember correctly.
Did not consider getting a new one just be patient and wait for a 2nd hand on to turn up
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Right... they had stripped it when i rang.. and say i would need the following parts..
3rd and 4th set = £244
Bulking ring = £14.88
syncro set = £103.20
Gear Transfer Driven = £71.01
Locking nut = £5.33
Locking Washer = £3
Central Diff = £414.70
Gaskets x 2 =
Oil = £20
Labour = £300
Shaft transmission main = £192?
Total inc vat = £1600ish
The shaft transmission he said he doesnt think they need (checking at mo) and the Central Diff is a recommendation as Swarf could have contaminated it...?
dont know if i should get the central diff... he said they can flush it but its sealed so you never know if swarf has contaminated it...
so looking at about £1380 if no shaft transmission main... do i risk it and save another £500 by not having the centre diff..
anyone got any comments on above?
Leon
3rd and 4th set = £244
Bulking ring = £14.88
syncro set = £103.20
Gear Transfer Driven = £71.01
Locking nut = £5.33
Locking Washer = £3
Central Diff = £414.70
Gaskets x 2 =
Oil = £20
Labour = £300
Shaft transmission main = £192?
Total inc vat = £1600ish
The shaft transmission he said he doesnt think they need (checking at mo) and the Central Diff is a recommendation as Swarf could have contaminated it...?
dont know if i should get the central diff... he said they can flush it but its sealed so you never know if swarf has contaminated it...
so looking at about £1380 if no shaft transmission main... do i risk it and save another £500 by not having the centre diff..
anyone got any comments on above?
Leon
16 March 2005, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ScoobyLeon
Right... they had stripped it when i rang.. and say i would need the following parts..
3rd and 4th set = £244
Bulking ring = £14.88
syncro set = £103.20
Gear Transfer Driven = £71.01
Locking nut = £5.33
Locking Washer = £3
Central Diff = £414.70
Gaskets x 2 =
Oil = £20
Labour = £300
Shaft transmission main = £192?
Total inc vat = £1600ish
The shaft transmission he said he doesnt think they need (checking at mo) and the Central Diff is a recommendation as Swarf could have contaminated it...?
dont know if i should get the central diff... he said they can flush it but its sealed so you never know if swarf has contaminated it...
so looking at about £1380 if no shaft transmission main... do i risk it and save another £500 by not having the centre diff..
anyone got any comments on above?
Leon
3rd and 4th set = £244
Bulking ring = £14.88
syncro set = £103.20
Gear Transfer Driven = £71.01
Locking nut = £5.33
Locking Washer = £3
Central Diff = £414.70
Gaskets x 2 =
Oil = £20
Labour = £300
Shaft transmission main = £192?
Total inc vat = £1600ish
The shaft transmission he said he doesnt think they need (checking at mo) and the Central Diff is a recommendation as Swarf could have contaminated it...?
dont know if i should get the central diff... he said they can flush it but its sealed so you never know if swarf has contaminated it...
so looking at about £1380 if no shaft transmission main... do i risk it and save another £500 by not having the centre diff..
anyone got any comments on above?
Leon
16 March 2005, 05:10 PM
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Rung them at API, they seem helpful... £650ish for recon box 3month / 3000 miles guarntee and they deliver..
might be an option, looking at 2nd hand box for parts for mine.. will have to sleep on it!
Leon
might be an option, looking at 2nd hand box for parts for mine.. will have to sleep on it!
Leon
16 March 2005, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ScoobyLeon
Rung them at API, they seem helpful... £650ish for recon box 3month / 3000 miles guarntee and they deliver..
might be an option, looking at 2nd hand box for parts for mine.. will have to sleep on it!
Leon
might be an option, looking at 2nd hand box for parts for mine.. will have to sleep on it!
Leon
APi want £650
and you have to sleep on it
16 March 2005, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
Dealer wants £1600+
APi want £650
and you have to sleep on it
APi want £650
and you have to sleep on it
talking myself into it! the only other option is the 2 second hand boxs ive been offered at about £100 each, weather to use one and utalise parts for mine.
what a nightmare... i could of bought a 42" Plasma for that money! going to be skint for a long time
17 March 2005, 04:15 AM
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Leon: The dealer is having you over mate. A second hand box is probably around £500 or less for your M/Y. A gearbox specialist doing Subarus can do a rebuilt box that will have warranty for a little bit more.
David at API Engines,Harbury, South of Coventry in Warwickshire is such a specialist.
You have asked for advice. We are all giving you the same sound advice. Follow it unless you don't mind having your trousers down.
BTW, around here, a box out and a box in is half a days easy work and costs around £120 plus vat plus oil.
Many dealers do not carry out gearbox repairs on their own premises.
David has a truck to collect disabled cars. The dealers price is OTT and their man is off work ill. (In the past this has been a euphemism for "We need to send it out to somebody else")
Good luck.
PS Someone honest and reliable will tell you if you need a new clutch just by looking at it. On a standard car a new clutch is NOT a lot of money, especially if it is done early and only the friction plate is replaced.
David at API Engines,Harbury, South of Coventry in Warwickshire is such a specialist.
You have asked for advice. We are all giving you the same sound advice. Follow it unless you don't mind having your trousers down.
BTW, around here, a box out and a box in is half a days easy work and costs around £120 plus vat plus oil.
Many dealers do not carry out gearbox repairs on their own premises.
David has a truck to collect disabled cars. The dealers price is OTT and their man is off work ill. (In the past this has been a euphemism for "We need to send it out to somebody else")
Good luck.
PS Someone honest and reliable will tell you if you need a new clutch just by looking at it. On a standard car a new clutch is NOT a lot of money, especially if it is done early and only the friction plate is replaced.
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17 March 2005, 09:38 AM
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Harvey has just covered everything I was about to suggest.
He was always going to beat me to it though, he clearly has insomnia - 04:15
He was always going to beat me to it though, he clearly has insomnia - 04:15
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Hi I noticed the 4am reply! someone out there who stays up later than me!
I did eventually listen to everyone and last night rang API ! seemed really helpful and knowledgeable.
Just rang API again, David is not in today, however I gave them my Box number last night and they have just said they don't have one that will fit my car... They said the next shipment is in 2 weeks but they don't know what will be in it until it arrives... Cant believe it, thought I had an answer with the recon from API.
When I spoke to API Yesterday they said that as Subaru had taken my box out that they would suggest they put the new box back in because everyone does it differently, they would have delivered Box for about £40 on pallet.
If I don't have the Centre Diff the cost from Subaru to repair my box is about £900 all in. So at the moment that may be the only option? unless there is another good Subaru specialist.. (I will ring API tomorrow when David is back) The reason they said about diff is because when they took box apart there was a LOT of swarf in it and they feared contamination. As above the dealer said they will look at the clutch to see if it needs replacing and said I could just replace the plate.
thanks for the all the help and suggestions you all keep giving... its good to have a second opinion on stuff..
cheers
Leon
I did eventually listen to everyone and last night rang API ! seemed really helpful and knowledgeable.
Just rang API again, David is not in today, however I gave them my Box number last night and they have just said they don't have one that will fit my car... They said the next shipment is in 2 weeks but they don't know what will be in it until it arrives... Cant believe it, thought I had an answer with the recon from API.
When I spoke to API Yesterday they said that as Subaru had taken my box out that they would suggest they put the new box back in because everyone does it differently, they would have delivered Box for about £40 on pallet.
If I don't have the Centre Diff the cost from Subaru to repair my box is about £900 all in. So at the moment that may be the only option? unless there is another good Subaru specialist.. (I will ring API tomorrow when David is back) The reason they said about diff is because when they took box apart there was a LOT of swarf in it and they feared contamination. As above the dealer said they will look at the clutch to see if it needs replacing and said I could just replace the plate.
thanks for the all the help and suggestions you all keep giving... its good to have a second opinion on stuff..
cheers
Leon
17 March 2005, 12:55 PM
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API all round...
May wait for the API box... asked the bloke i know well at the Dealer and he said get the API Box, he said hes had engines off them before and had no problems...
i need to speak to this David tommorow and see if i can get one asap...
at least subaru are lending me a car till next Tuesday now..
Leon
i need to speak to this David tommorow and see if i can get one asap...
at least subaru are lending me a car till next Tuesday now..
Leon
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