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Old 27 May 2003, 07:44 PM
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Just a warning really. Recently changed a clutch and in the process had to remove battery. Result - reset ECU and poor idle (1100 - 200rpm). Thought we had left a hose etc off but no, new MAF sorted it. The old MAF was not touched/hit/messed with while doing the g`box.......

So I assume the ECU had adapted to a drifting MAF but could not cope once `learning` deleted.

New MAF, car feels much nicer.....BIG worry really, only symptom was a very slight misfire at idle (every so often) and nothing else. No error codes either!
Old 27 May 2003, 07:47 PM
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Few guys have had similar when I send them an ECU. It does seem to learn around it
Old 27 May 2003, 10:31 PM
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Thats exactly the symptoms I had a couple of weeks ago after cluch change
However my engine let go big style when giving it some beans.

Over £6000 later

Do you think I should have waited till ECU had sorted itself out..........YEEEEESSSSS!!!
Old 28 May 2003, 10:01 AM
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So is the MAF adapting within a reasonable tolerance or will it read leaner and leaner and BANG?
Old 28 May 2003, 10:18 AM
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Leaner & leaner then bang

One of the best 'safety' mods on a MY99/00 if you ask me is to change the MAF for the 'new & improved' MAF which is much tougher. £70 (or whatever) well spent.
Old 28 May 2003, 10:36 AM
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How can you tell the MAF's failed or failing (even if you've just spent £70 on a new one)?

Wouldn't a Lambda/AFR monitor tell you if the car was starting run dangerously lean?

Is Scoobynet paranoia our best line of defense?

Stefan
Old 28 May 2003, 11:13 AM
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I've Got the new MAF fitted with another as spare.
Took the opportunity to fit HKS FMIC while engine/Turbo being
replaced

The downside to this was.Had to fit induction kit
K+N 57i wouldn't fit. So now have a

Blitz induction kit...Oh dear I can hear you groan MAF killer!

Hopefully getting SECS unit fitted. When they arrive(I think they have a MAF read function.
Heres to PARANOIA BIG STYLE.
PIck up car tommorow.
Fingers crossed.
Old 28 May 2003, 11:13 AM
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Got a MY00 and I'm interested in this MAF change idea. Is the 'new' MAF really more robust? If so, for £70 replacement sounds like a very sensible idea.Anybody know?
Old 28 May 2003, 11:25 AM
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New MAF part No.METER CP-AIR FLOW 22794AA010.Thats if you can get a hold of one.Apparently going like hotcakes,with big back orders.
Old 28 May 2003, 11:39 AM
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Power Engineering have them. They fixed mine.

MB
Old 28 May 2003, 11:57 AM
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New MAF part No.METER CP-AIR FLOW 22794AA010
SG72

That is the standard old one

Or at least I ordered that part from this thread which as you can see was quite a while ago

This is the old thread with same part no on it

I got all excited there for a minute
Old 28 May 2003, 12:11 PM
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Car is generally running a bit `nicer` now. Idle in particular is velvet smooth. Coming on-boost feels a bit more torquey as well........

Considereing I`m running around the 320/330PS mark, lean fuelling is even more of a concern.........
Old 28 May 2003, 02:12 PM
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Does anyone have the NEW IMPROVED MAF NO. then ...Sorry
Old 28 May 2003, 02:17 PM
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That is the number I have - I thought this was the new sensor with "two green dots" on it rather than one? Neither have failed on me so far.
Old 28 May 2003, 02:23 PM
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Can`t complain really; had the miny scoop over the K&N for a year and a half including driving rain. Must have been flooding the filter / MAF on occasion!
Old 28 May 2003, 02:59 PM
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I wish I had shares in Bosch. I'd be rubbing my hands in glee with all the Bosch knock sensors and MAF sensors rolling off the production line

So, if your car has lumpy idle we should all run out and spend £70 or is there a more scientific way of checking rather than wetting my finger and sticking it in the air?

JB, did you not suggest before that a Lambda/AFR monitor would indicate a failing MAF?

Stefan
Old 28 May 2003, 03:35 PM
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Yes it should.
Old 28 May 2003, 03:37 PM
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cool, thanks.
Old 28 May 2003, 03:56 PM
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John, i have a lambdalink so how can i check for my MAF going belly up? Is it a case of as long as i`ve got the end green light on at WOT then i`m ok or can you check on it while just driving normally and the lights are going up and down like summat outta nightrider?
Old 28 May 2003, 04:01 PM
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The first.
Old 28 May 2003, 04:18 PM
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hi guys,
Just to let you know i have a new maf sensor bought by mistake , still in the box and wrapper .

i'll sell it for £60 +p+p they are £79.99 from subaru
Cheers Windy

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Old 28 May 2003, 04:26 PM
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The night rider effect shows the car running in closed-loop. If that stops working, it's a good sign that your O2 sensor is gubbed. When mine went faulty it just flatlined at 0.3v

Stefan
Old 28 May 2003, 04:28 PM
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John,

Are you running with your DIY AFR or have you fitted a Lamdalink?

Not that I don't trust your electronic wizardry

Stefan
Old 28 May 2003, 04:54 PM
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Windy75,

So what's the part number on yours then?
Old 28 May 2003, 05:01 PM
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I run a wideband lambda, knocklink, boost gauge, intermittent EGT/fuel pressure/Delta Dash/charge temperature for setting up. Soon to add oil temp/pres.
Old 28 May 2003, 08:38 PM
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Pieman ,

just looked and it is METER CP-AIR FLOW 22794AA010 like i said it,s still in the box , my local dealership would not take it back asw it was special order
Old 28 May 2003, 09:35 PM
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Just a note - it's better to have the AFR meter set up before things are possibly going wrong, otherwise you don't know if the AFR's wired up badly or the MAF is actually failing...
Old 29 May 2003, 07:22 AM
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John
If you don't have Lamda/knocklink etc how would you know if your MAF sensor was faulty? would a check engine light come on?
Old 29 May 2003, 09:25 AM
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abnormal readings. Not in a lot of cases.
Old 29 May 2003, 09:31 AM
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with delta dash?


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