R.B.5

Just wondered if any of you had looked at these. Does anyone know anything about them? Was thinking of booking mine in for one. Costly but aparently they are very very good and basically can transform the car. 40/80bhp increase. Replaces exsiting ECU afaik!

Thanks!

Scooby Racer

Its a very good ECU but thats reflected in the price. I have experience with them in other cars but not in a scooby. Its got a lot of features which are more motorsport orientated and may be a bit over the top for road use.
Prodrive use them in their GpN Impreza.

R19KET

Pectel make some fantastic ECU's. A very few of us are already using the T6, but this is very expensive (basic ecu £1950+ vat). On top of that, you'd need a loom adapter, ++++, and lastly, the Pectel "T" series don't support the Subaru crank pick up, and you would need to get one made.

AFAIK, the drop in's are "Prodive" only GrpN, and the maps certanly wouldn't be suitable for a road car.

Who's offered it, and can they re-map it for you. An 80bhp increase is very optomistic from just an ECU change.

Mark.

R.B.5

But then who's to say whats over the top for road use? Its only the start of my mod list which at the moment is about say 2 sheets of A4. The pectel aparently will be the one stop system to sort the electronics out on the car. Once mapped can improve the car vastly, so i hear!

I'll go book the car in now for the Pectel i think. Have to wait until January even if i book it in now tho.

R.B.5

I dont want to post the company name as i have not asked their permission. I know that they can do it as i had my car booked in before for a turbo conversion (escort Mk6). They have already done it to the Focus with fantastic results. He said its no problem and would cost 2500 quid, plus engine out and a dyno (not rolling road figures, true engine power figures was what he said). Ahmed will then map the car and get every last ounce out of the current turbo on the car which will be the only thing restricting it at that point! All this info was given to me by a good friend of mine who has built WRC engines for well known WRC teams.

Just hope i can reach the figures thats all.

P20SPD

iTrader: (1)

Some pretty bold statements there IMHO. Who is Ahmed?

C

Ahmed Bayjo (sp) by chance?

AFAIK he gets involved bigtime in cossies???

Chris

P20SPD

iTrader: (1)

Thats who i was thinking of!

R19KET

I didn't say that a Pectel is over the top, for the road, I said a GrpN map was "unsuitable" !.

I know Ahmed quite well, and if he's mapping the Pectel for you, it will be very good.

Part of the problem here, is that you're only giving us half the story !

Are you going internal, and up rating the pistons, and rods ?

And, IMO, spending all that money on mods, £2500 on a pectel, and engine dyno time is wasted on the stock turbo, unless you are actually building a GrpN rally engine, and using a 32mm restrictor !!!

If you have an RB5, you have a TDO4 turbo, and you'll be lucky to get 300bhp.

I would suggest you take some advice from a few more people, and speak directly to Ahmed about what you want to achieve, and how to go about it.

If you post what you want to achieve, and what you're planning to do to acieve it, I'm sure there will be plenty of suggestions from people on the bbs.

Mark.

R.B.5

Hehe! Yeah Ahmed Bayjo will be mapping the car. Sorry about the half a story, i'll write some more to elaborate.

My man at the company says that with the Pectel i could see favourable increases in BHP and more importantly torque. He said anywhere in between 40 and 80bhp with similar torque increases.

They have a rally car which they are breaking down as we speak and some parts i will be having off the car. Suspension setup etc. He mentioned things that kinda went straight over the top of my head so i cant replicate all of what he said.

Ahmed Bayjo will take the car out on the road with my man and map the Pectel unit to my car. Then i think they take the engine out to dyno and get a print out for me so that i have something pretty to look at. The complete project consists of a Legacy 2.2/2.5 block with Pectel to run it. Custom built FMIC, Garret t35 turbo. All this will be done as well as forged pistons and strengthening of the overall engine. As i said i can no way afford to buy all this stuff off the shelf now, it will be a project of say 8 months.

I want to see about 450horse from the engine eventually and will then only use it on weekends. Fuel consumption will be like a space rocket no doubt!

hope this is more of a picture?

forgot to say it will then be twin turbo


[Edited by R.B.5 - 10/25/2002 9:01:10 AM]

P20SPD

iTrader: (1)

Why twin turbo?

R19KET

Gavin,

Twin GT35's !!! I really think you should talk to some other engine builders/tuners, to get some alternative opinions !!!

YHM

Mark.

R.B.5

The company says it would be the best way to go and it would have shed loads of torque. Not much to touch it in the way of imprezas etc. I dont know much about the final stage of twin turbo but it sounds good to me!

I think smaller turbos would be used not the t35's!


[Edited by R.B.5 - 10/25/2002 10:42:16 AM]

P20SPD

iTrader: (1)

Trust you thought about gearbox, driveshafts, diffs etc?

Mo

Parachute?

P20SPD

iTrader: (1)

Ejector seat?

Sorry

R.B.5

lol mach 2 here we come

Yeah its like where does the list end. But i am determined now more than ever to get more power from the engine. Time will tell eh!

MorayMackenzie

RB5,

So they are proposing to map the pectel in the car, and then pull the engine, place it on an engine dyno and power test it there?! Thats certainly a novel approach! Maybe he was going to map and test the engine on the dyno, and then tweak the map for road use once the engine was back in the car and out on the road.

Moray

David_Wallis

rotflmfao....


do me one favour before imho you waste your money..

(i'm sure p20spd agree's )

Get some advice from other people... then spek to mark (R19KET)


If you still believe anybody other than mark... I suggest you go and see him... and let him show you what a "Proper" Pectel can do...

oh and I dont think your car is up to a pectel

I think a link or motec would do..

no mention of anti-lag or wideband

See you sunday mark?

David

Adam M

David,

much as I am good riends with mark, and a keen follower of his advice, I would like to point out that Pat is more the man to talk to about pectels.


No offence Pat, but so far I tend to trust marks mapping over yours, but even mark will concede, in terms of technical knowledge ofr what the pectel can do and how it does it, pat is the man to talk to.


There is no way that at the price he is talking, he is referring to a pectel T6, it just isnt possible. It could possibly be a T2 which I have not seen done before, but this doesnt have enough outputs to run my car proproerly so not something I would consider.

It could be a plug and play which is remappable, but prodrive dont tend to release these too easily.

In the end, there is nothing special about the pectel. it does a lot for the money, but a proper one is a lot of money circa 3.5k by the time you add up everything.

As stated above, a link, motec or gems would do you for anything other some the most thought out engine, ie. one such as marks, where he has considered every aspect of it from conception to installation (if only bloody third party suppliers didnt you down [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]).

Moray is definietly right, it would go on the dyno first, then i the car. You dont put an engine on a bench dyno just to test its power, you put it onto map it. Ahmed reckons it takes 3 days to do this, and it will set you back about £2k. I know this because I asked him myself.

that "k is hire of the dyno, and mapping time, not installation of engine afterwards. It will then as moray says require tweaking once back in the car.

David_Wallis

Adam,

I realise that but, as Pat doesnt post two often on here, then the best person (out of the two) that will read the thread will be mark...

What i was trying to type (was pissed) is that for an extra 80bhp I dont think pectel is the way to go..

David

P20SPD

iTrader: (1)

IMHO i would speak to Mark (r19ket) or Bob Rawle about what you would like to do to your car. dont just rely on one persons opinion.

R.B.5

Thanks for the advice all i think that reading the replies i should just perhaps get John banks to map my car with a TEK3. What do you all think? He's fairly priced, seems very clued up and is highly spoken of. As i know practically nothing about these ECU's/Upgrades i should take on board all the info and advice i can get. Perhaps i should re-build the engine and stick beter internals in first of all. No more power gains really but at least its stronger. Then go out and buy the parts needed for more power?

Thanks again, really appreciate it.

Gavin

Turbo_Steve

Just to try and put things in perspective here, but for the amount you are talking about doing, you would probably do better just to buy a Legacy B4 RSK to start with.

For the amount and time and money you are spending have you considered perhaps changing to an EVO?

If you want to go for a 400bhp+ scooby, then do it, (I am sure everyone here has thought about it! ) but as Mr.David_Wallis will testify it is a labour of love or a lot of expense: Unless you want a very light wallet or to spend a lot of time 'tinkering' then you would probably do better to get a different track car.

HOWEVER! If you want a really nice fast road + track car in the circa 320bhp mark, the scooby do. er. does.

Ha Ha. Not.

john banks

Are you wanting to build up your car over time? Often people do the ECU when they have all the other bits in place, alternatively they reprogram it each time they change something.

I have tried to develop the ECU programming for various mods on my own car - up to c.350 BHP. I have not gone beyond that yet as the internals and gearbox are holding me back. I don't see any reason why JECS could not go much much higher, but you would need to look at replacement MAF and MAP sensors, however, it would probably be worth going for a top end aftermarket ECU IMHO.

I would think through carefully what you are wanting to achieve and do lots of research talking to lots of suppliers. If I was doing it all again with a Scooby I would start with an STi either old or new generation. They are a better base for tuning. The clutch, gearbox, internals, cams, diff. However, if you are going for really big power you would change most of that at some point anyway.

An STi 7 with just water injection and a remap would I suspect make a very potent machine, although you would need a bit more power to get the same performance as an old shape car.

Also consider driveability. If you are keeping the car at 2 litres then you want a nice midrange that starts before 4000 RPM. Especially on a UK car which is running out of puff over 6000 RPM because of cams, and a lower rev limit because of the internals.

R.B.5

Hmm. I see your point John, Perhaps in the end a pectel might be the way to go!

I think 300bhp would be ok for me at the moment. If i can get P1 performance from my Scooby just for the meantime using this £2500 then i'll be happy. Or at least if i could get 270bhp from it. Already have DP and backbox, next is centre section with res followed by a TEK3 from PE if possible!

John do you visit PE at all and if you do when would you be going down! Re-map of my car at the same time with the TEK3 sounds good.

Adam M

Pectel is just an ecu like any other.

it doesnt magically open up bhp. Any well mapped ecu will be able to bring you more horsepower. Unless you are goingballs out, and want specific features, there is no reason why a motec M48 pro or a gems wont suit you down to the ground for far less money, and without the complication of a loom adapter. Unless you have managed to wangle a plug and play prodrive pectel.

John banks might be a good idea if you are in scotland, otherwise I would go to bob rawle.

Mark is a very capable mapper, also up there with bob, but I wasnt aware that he mapped other peoples cars professionally.

You can run some standard internals up to around the 350 mark, and that will give you an incredible drive.

For this you need turbo (unless you have a td05 in whichc ase you can get away with it) a fmic, some injectors depending on your year of car, and an ecu.

If/when this combination blows up, then you can rebuild the engine. This would have been the same as opening your untouched engine anyway. The death of your last engine might damage the block and the crank, which can be replaced for an extra £300 if you know where to look.

If very unlucky it might damage your heads, but again, these can be fixed for not a lot of money, and these risks give you the incentive to buy a closed deck block, and uprate the heads or possibly stroke crank to 2.2. You will be replacing the rods and pistons anyway if you go internal, and therefore have to pay all the labour anyway.


This in my opinion is the best route to go down. get the ancillaries you need in place anyway which will give you 350bhp if done properly (fuel pump first). If this is not enough for you, you have done nothing wrong as you have the building blocks you need anyway for 400bhp by strengthening the internals to allow you to run more boost.

john banks

Bob Rawle is closer to you and incredibly highly recommended by all. I think PE themselves don't do the custom mapping work any more. If you want an off the shelf map to go with a full decat I can do that for you.

If you want 270 ish then the standard turbo will do. A VF28 (from STi 5/6/P1) would get you to about 300 bhp. After that you are looking at probably a hybrid turbo, FMIC, injectors and the price skyrockets and the reliability could suffer. Arguably many would be happier sitting at 300 bhp rather than chasing ever increasing numbers for smaller returns.

Dark Blue Mark

Just get a skyline - im sure getting a scoob up to monster power is not "too" difficult, but it has its limits. Something with a bigger lump (legacy) may cope better and last a bit longer. 300 bhp out of a smallish engine is pretty good going, more is pushing it.

No substitute for cubes!

You seem confused about what way you want to go - spend a long time reading and learning... Sell the 5 and get something BIG.

MB

SimonH

R.B.5 Like I said the other day, lots of options and lots of ideas. Your pectel plan did sound a bit ambitious!