Fuzz

For reasons that will become obvious in a later thread.
How much am I going to have to fork out for a standard ECU for a W reg MY00 turbo 2000.
oh and is there any particular ECU I should NOT buy as this is going to be used as the base for a re-map / tune

Oh and has anyone got one for sale ?
cash waiting !

[Edited by Fuzz - 7/27/2002 8:51:16 PM]

Bob Rawle

Depending on what remap you are going for there is no need to be concerned about which ecu you use, most companies offering this sort of thing do it on an exchange basis which means you do not need to buy a second ecu. (thats how I do it)

Bob

Fuzz

Cos I don't want to **** around with the PPP ECU thats on it at the mo as it's worth 600 odd squid which if sold will pay for tek 3 on standard ECU, get it now !!

P20SPD

iTrader: (1)

oooo techhy

why not pay for the tek3 and then sell the PPP one, i am sure someone in the wanted section would give that for it.

by the way most of the exchange companies charge you £300 extra for the new ecu until you return your old one!!

P20SPD

iTrader: (1)

sorry ment to add

so therefore if you do not give them your old ecu it costs £500 + £300 + rolling road time for tek3.

thus your £600 ppp ecu is now worth a net £300.

not bad i suppose, part way to FMIC

Bob Rawle

.... and who was supposed to know that then?

It takes time and trouble to reply in a thread, those of us that do try and offer advice to suit but can only do so based on the information to hand, I'll get my crystal ball out next time ... or not bother I guess.

The specific answer on the EcuTek website, you probably missed it.

"ECU Information
When obtaining an EcuTek ECU by mail order, it is priced on an exchange basis for fitting by the customer. We will supply you with a pre-programmed and tested ECU which you just swap with your original unit. Just unplug the old one, plug in the new, and return your old ECU to us. If you decide to keep your original ECU, there is a £300 +VAT surcharge when the exchange is not completed."

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

To be honest with you, unless your going to do over 130mph the tek 3 probably wont be worth it for the cost... (flame suit on ) as your PPP ecu is pretty good as it is ask the guy in the W reg uk turbo i wasted in my PPP'd scoob
From a PPP you would probably be better going for a bigger turbo, uprated intercooler and a GEMS ecu IMHO, this would give you more benefit than any Tek ecu and more flexability
The Tek 2 is probably the most beneficial to a uk turbo car as its on par with the PPP ecu performance wise, the tek 1 aint worth the money..... The tek 3 is a step closer to what your real aim will be in a uk car but without upgrading the turbo etc, so totally miss it out and go for what your really after

Tony

john banks

Boost targets (PSI), duty cycle and AFR - PPP vs Tek 3 (conservative example of)

up to 4600 15.7, up to 5250 17.7
4600-5600 14.3, 5250-5500 15.9
5600-6000 13.2, 5500-6000 15.3
6000-6400 12.3, 6000-6500 14.0
over 6400 10.9, over 6500 11.8

Duty cycle at 5400 RPM 78.4%, 85.5%

AFR at peak power 9.7:1, 10.4:1

The above is just an example of what I personally start with as a standard performance map on a car with basic breathing mods.

You can usually buy an AE802 for about £75 from the For Sale/Wanted area.

Hope this helps.

I'll let you study the figures above and see if you agree with Tony

Bob isn't that far from you

[Edited by john banks - 7/28/2002 12:29:45 PM]

Fuzz

sorry if I offended you bob, wasn't meant to come out like it did, feckin scoobynet

Fuzz

John,
Have I just shot myself in the foot.
Is bob my local ECUTEK dealer,
<mental note : Engage brain before operating mouth>

What about Powerstation, have you even heard of them,
they are in my town and do a lot of scooby mods but having no licence at the mo it's been a little difficult to go over and grill them !(phone to im-personal in my opinion, I like to see who I'm spending my wonga with )
The "other" rolling road in my town is Mech repairs who I actually prefer (have used them before) but know they have nothing to do with EcuTek.
I'm pretty set on the idea of Tek 3 but also looking into Data fast's "Pro8" ecu (lots of toys on that like, als control, launch control, traction control, Nos control (which is good as I hav a full bottle sat in the workshop ) the list is endless.
What advantage has the ecutek ecu got over something like that or is it in a different ball park.
Sell it to me John ................

EDIT : to add that after going to the show this weekend my car WILL be used on future track events ( if that makes any difference)(I'll give babber a run for his money )
Also in your opinion what toys would be helpful to have fitted first before ecu change
Opinions on :
Delta dash,
AFR meter, (assume this is the row of blue, green,amber and red lights)
Boost guage,(think I'll get the defi pod, what would be the best other 2 guages)
Anything else,
knock link and lambda link looks a bit too IN YOUR FACE for my liking, unless I can tuck them away in the glovebox

[Edited by Fuzz - 7/28/2002 6:45:00 PM]

[Edited by Fuzz - 7/28/2002 6:48:43 PM]

john banks

I thought I already had Speak to Bob.

If you go to Powerstation for a Unichip you need a method for boost control - Dawes might work quite well.

Fuzz

Does that mean i have to kiss and make up,

Unichip
I knew powerstation did these "things"
I believe these are more of an interupt and corrupt device than pure software settings type ECU hence I am reluctant to go this route.
Thanks for the advice tho, keep it coming.

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

John,
What im saying is that the tek2 is on par with a PPP ecu, the tek3 wouldnt be worth it because you may as well take the step your going to do next and fit an uprated turbo, FMIC, uprated fuel pump etc and add an ecu which will do everything for you, ie the GEMS
Its known that the TD04 turbo starts to struggle after 280bhp, so unless your going to be running the car under this you may as well go beyond the tek ecu and into serious engine modifications
Anyway John, if you send me a tek3 ill test it for you and give you a comparison

Tony

john banks

Tony I think everyone agrees that you can make a high power car out of any of the ECUs. Since there are now Tek 3 cars with turbos, FMIC, manifolds, injectors, fuel pumps I don't get the reason why you would suddenly have to change the ECU unless there was a particular feature you wanted. This "more benefit and more flexibility" from the GEMS is an assertion I would invite you to prove, and if not we'll have to disagree GEMS is certainly a very nice piece of kit, but I can't see the big benefit over JECS. I am certain you could match the power and torque with a Unichip and boost controller or a Link ECU as you could GEMS or JECS. Map resolution and the bells and whistles do not a faster car make - arguably they just make mapping it harder work. You could also get very good results using an MAF/MAP modifier and a manual boost controller. Andy F and I both achieved about +35% power over standard using the ORIGINAL ECUs. Funnily enough, the timing I am now running is similar to the last column of the MY99 ECU map except the airflow is about 35% higher. An AFR adjusting by +1 point over 3500 RPM and -0.5 points below 3500 RPM would also end up pretty near to what I am doing now. The convenience of reflashing an ECU and being able to adjust to 50 RPM resolution is very nice, but certainly not the only way to do it. And I say that even though I sell them!

[Edited by john banks - 7/28/2002 11:09:48 PM]

Bob Rawle

Fuzz, you didn't offend, no worries ... email address in profile.

The Tek 3 doesn't actually exist as a product, its rather the total customisation of your Jecs ecu to suit the car, your driving style and the use you want to make of it. My own car is running with FMIC, hybrid turbo, 740cc injectors, uprated fuel pump etc etc and the jecs is more than happy now its been sorted to match the mods. John I would go further, you you mention 50 rpm resolution, in practice the load lines (both x and y) can be tailored and adusted to whatever suits the application, that means you can have them very close together where it matters and wider apart where it doesn't, only the Motecs and Pectels of this world offer that as std, neither Link (which I also supply and map) or Gems are able to compete in that area, this is true of all the maps available including the compensation maps.

I'm only in Swindon Fuzz so its just a quick blat down the 417/419.

cheers

Bob

Fuzz

Excellent, thats more like the advice I was looking for.
My writing style probably didn't help matters though

Looks like it will be a little later next month when I start to consider ECU mods again as I popped over to powerstation for "a few bits" *cough* (see thread in suspension)

Thanks Again
Andy C
Cheltenham (just off the A417 )