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Old 23 August 2007, 12:35 PM
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Default A blow for the PS3, Blueray-0 HD DVD-1

Seems the format wars is starting to bite,

http://tech.uk.msn.com/features/arti...mentid=5928958

How many others will follow suit?


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Old 23 August 2007, 12:43 PM
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Not very many.

In reply, Fox and MGM gave a list of BluRay Exclusives (they are signed up to BluRay exclusively, unlike paramount, whose exclusivity does not include Speilberg films)

The only answer if to go multiformat, which an increasing amount are.
Old 23 August 2007, 08:32 PM
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Transformers HD dvd is going to rock
Old 23 August 2007, 09:01 PM
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If your gonna upgrade to a better quality format you might aswell do it properly and that is bluray
Old 23 August 2007, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by VoteConservative!
If your gonna upgrade to a better quality format you might aswell do it properly and that is bluray
I agree can't wait until they release Transformers on Bluray ..... oh ****

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Old 23 August 2007, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by VoteConservative!
If your gonna upgrade to a better quality format you might aswell do it properly and that is bluray
In what way is bluray a better quality format. Please explain.
Old 24 August 2007, 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by VoteConservative!
If your gonna upgrade to a better quality format you might aswell do it properly and that is bluray
Yeah, just think of all those interactive features...oh wait, bluray has none
Old 24 August 2007, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisowe
In what way is bluray a better quality format. Please explain.
Higher capacity (100GB quad layer for BluRay vs 45GB triple layer for HD DVD)

Higher Capcity for a standard Dual layer disc (9hrs DH content for BluRay vs 8 for HD DVD)

Bigger support by manufacturers : (Bluray -Hitachi, Mitsubishi, LG, Sharp, Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, Philips, Thomson/RCA. HD DVD - Toshiba, LG, Thomson/RCA NEC)

Greater exclusive studio support (but seems to change all the time!)

To be fair, either is great. But BluRay is the more technically advanced and has greater support, but that's not to say it will win out. Just answering the question.
Old 24 August 2007, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by RB5-Black
I agree can't wait until they release Transformers on Bluray ..... oh ****

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1 film does not a format make or break.

Besides, listing films that are exclusive to HD DVD is slightly disingenuous, when obviously Sony Pictures are BluRay exclusive (Spiderman) and so are Fox (Star Wars)
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But the average movie is 1.5 - 2hrs long so for 99% of movies the bigger capacity is of no use.
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I think it's going to come down to the cost of the player. If joe bloggs can walk into currys and pick up a HD\Blueray player for sub £200 then I think they'll go for it. They wont care too much which format it plays as long as they know it's the latest.
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Originally Posted by bob269
But the average movie is 1.5 - 2hrs long so for 99% of movies the bigger capacity is of no use.
Surely the point being is that you don't have to use any kind of compression.
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Originally Posted by Tobisausage
Surely the point being is that you don't have to use any kind of compression.
yes that's the first thing I think when I'm buying a film, music etc
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The question asked was " in what way is BluRay a better format?"

Not "Do the advantages really matter?"

FWIW, I think we are going to have both for a long while yet. BluRay has the advantage in terms of sheers numbers, but there are some massive films that are HD-DVD.


What is for certain is that one way or the other , DVD is on borrowed time.
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
The question asked was " in what way is BluRay a better format?"

Not "Do the advantages really matter?"

FWIW, I think we are going to have both for a long while yet. BluRay has the advantage in terms of sheers numbers, but there are some massive films that are HD-DVD.


What is for certain is that one way or the other , DVD is on borrowed time.
Day off Pete or are you playing bioshock allready

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Originally Posted by STi wanna Subaru
yes that's the first thing I think when I'm buying a film, music etc
idiot

DVD movies are compressed, MP3 music is compressed which therefore makes them worse quality than uncompressed media. The more space you have on a media format the higher the quality of movie you can store on it, therefore in theory a Blu-ray disc can store higher quality movies and is more future proof than an HD-DVD.
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Originally Posted by Tobisausage
idiot

DVD movies are compressed, MP3 music is compressed which therefore makes them worse quality than uncompressed media. The more space you have on a media format the higher the quality of movie you can store on it, therefore in theory a Blu-ray disc can store higher quality movies and is more future proof than an HD-DVD.
Yeah those mp3 sales are really suffering aren't they

It only matters to **** geeks

VHS inferior to Betamax....
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Originally Posted by mart360
Day off Pete or are you playing bioshock allready

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Bioshock is waiting for me when I get home!
Old 24 August 2007, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
Bioshock is waiting for me when I get home!

going to pick mine up.....sometime today.....


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Old 24 August 2007, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Tobisausage
idiot

DVD movies are compressed, MP3 music is compressed which therefore makes them worse quality than uncompressed media. The more space you have on a media format the higher the quality of movie you can store on it, therefore in theory a Blu-ray disc can store higher quality movies and is more future proof than an HD-DVD.
Not entirely true. It's also down to speed of transfer. I remember reading than even the mighty ps3 blu-ray player hasn't got the data bandwidth (i.e. speed of transmission of data from the disc to the player) to play HD movies uncompressed. Therefore, you need a balance between performance and quality. In most cases, that compression takes the required storage space well below that provided by the disc, so space isn't really an issue. All it really mean is you get a few extra features that you'll never watch.

Going to be intersting to see how this turns out...
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Careful Iain you may be labelled an idiot
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Originally Posted by Tobisausage
Surely the point being is that you don't have to use any kind of compression.
You dont need to use compression to fit a HD movie on a disc
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Originally Posted by bob269
You dont need to use compression to fit a HD movie on a disc
It'll fit, but it won't play. As mentioned above, the data transfer rates aren't good enough to reliably play uncompressed HD footage...
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
The question asked was " in what way is BluRay a better format?"

Not "Do the advantages really matter?"
Actually, the question was:

"In what way is bluray a better quality format"

Which hasn't been answered

Of course there is very little in it.
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Originally Posted by DJ Dunk
Actually, the question was:

"In what way is bluray a better quality format"

Which hasn't been answered

Of course there is very little in it.
Indeed. If you have either then you're sorted in the short to medium term.
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
Indeed. If you have either then you're sorted in the short to medium term.

Short term only I reckon, when you go into stores in the states and the BluRay section is more than twice the size and the sales are more than 2:1 it's going to be difficult to recover unless HDDVD players come down in price real quick or they are included in something that everyone needs/wants (Not that everyone wants/needs PS3....)

PS3 for £300 ? anyone ?

Cheers

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I agree, Personally I think that BluRay has got it sewn up. But time will tell. I say medium term because it will take some time to shift completely over to whichever format.
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You can get a hd-dvd player for about £220 now, and I read something the other day that said hd-dvd players were outselling blu-ray by 2:1 in the USA. The battle is far from over...
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Originally Posted by Iain Young
You can get a hd-dvd player for about £220 now, and I read something the other day that said hd-dvd players were outselling blu-ray by 2:1 in the USA. The battle is far from over...
That's surprising considering a PS3 will only set you back £300, did they count the sales of the PS3 in the comparisson ?
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No I think it was stanadlone players...

HD DVD Outselling Blu Ray as War Intensifies - Smarthouse

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