360 dashboard update targets modders...
31 October 2006, 03:39 PM
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360 dashboard update targets modders...
Aparently the dashboard update has another feature not listed - its going to send modded 360's up the spout.
more info here - Xboxic » Microsoft is banning 360 firmware modders
more info here - Xboxic » Microsoft is banning 360 firmware modders
31 October 2006, 04:34 PM
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flash ur firmware back to orig , update then reflash ur box ,
ive not had a single prob on live with my box flashed ! they cant tell if ur box is flashed , theyd have to upload up to your box check ur firmware driver so on , vice versa ,
ive not had a single prob on live with my box flashed ! they cant tell if ur box is flashed , theyd have to upload up to your box check ur firmware driver so on , vice versa ,
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The fundamental problem with the firmware hack is that it’s a so-called Man in the Middle attack on the system’s security. Imagine a phone call between 2 English speaking people, and you’ve got control over the line in between. By cutting in at the right moments, you can make it appear to one of the participants that the other one is saying something to him, but it’s actually you saying something else and making him believe that it’s a valid response. That’s a simplified explanation of how the hacked firmware works: it lies to the 360 kernel about what the disc is saying about its authenticity. Now imagine if both the speakers on that phone line suspected you were in the middle, and switched to speaking a slightly modified dialect. If you’re still breaking in with the original dialect, it’s easily detectable that you’re trying to fool around. Back to the 360, since Microsoft still has absolute control over disc contents and the kernel code, they can simply change the dialect on both sides and thus detect firmware hacks. If they wish, they can take any action they want upon detection, ranging from the simple Xbox Live ban to even bricking your 360 or disabling it to run any newly released games.
Not my words, but a warning to those who think they are immune.
Not my words, but a warning to those who think they are immune.
31 October 2006, 09:45 PM
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Personally, I (for once) really dont mind paying MS for the 360, its fantastic.
To be honest I didnt bother chipping the other machines since doing my old PS1 and even then, you get the pirated games, half you buy dont work and you end up dicking about, whats the point. Plus you have to deal with the sleazy bloke who sells pirate games either outside computer fairs or whatever. I found I just ended up wiith loads of games I didnt play. Plus, with Ebay, certainly for the old Xbox, the games are so cheap it isnt worth bothering, still a lot of live in the original Xbox.
I have one game for my 360, have had it a year now, still play all the original Xbox game son it, only PGR3 from the first batch was worth the 45 quid, now the developers are getting into their stride, Forza is due soon so I will spend a few quid.
Hopefully MS have nailed it down, fair play to those who do it for the challenge and the intellectual stimulus but I for one can do without ropey copies and machines that dont work on live.
Amazingly, MS almost seem friendly compared to Sony with their rootkits and ambitous pricing for something thats still realistically a year off for most people.
To be honest I didnt bother chipping the other machines since doing my old PS1 and even then, you get the pirated games, half you buy dont work and you end up dicking about, whats the point. Plus you have to deal with the sleazy bloke who sells pirate games either outside computer fairs or whatever. I found I just ended up wiith loads of games I didnt play. Plus, with Ebay, certainly for the old Xbox, the games are so cheap it isnt worth bothering, still a lot of live in the original Xbox.
I have one game for my 360, have had it a year now, still play all the original Xbox game son it, only PGR3 from the first batch was worth the 45 quid, now the developers are getting into their stride, Forza is due soon so I will spend a few quid.
Hopefully MS have nailed it down, fair play to those who do it for the challenge and the intellectual stimulus but I for one can do without ropey copies and machines that dont work on live.
Amazingly, MS almost seem friendly compared to Sony with their rootkits and ambitous pricing for something thats still realistically a year off for most people.
31 October 2006, 10:32 PM
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Xbox-Scene News: Fall Update - E66 Error with some modified Toshiba-Samsung drives *Updated*
Fall Update - E66 Error with some modified Toshiba-Samsung drives *Updated*
Fall Update - E66 Error with some modified Toshiba-Samsung drives *Updated*
>> It looks like some people get an E66 (hardware failure) when trying to reboot their console after the Xbox 360 Fall Dashboard Update. So far it does not look like it's something MS did on purpose to stop modified DVD firmwares as it only happens with some specific configurations, they do NOT ban the console/gamertag from LIVE and it's easy to solve. It's probably a compatibility issue between the new Xbox360 OS/kernel build and some combinations of DVD drives and modified firmwares.
From our data (see this thread and this thread) it looks like it only happens on some Xbox360 consoles with a combination of a Toshiba-Samsung TS-H943 DVD drive (mostly MS28, but we get reports of problems with some MS25 aswell) and some hacked firmwares (below v4.1 on MS28?, MS25 seems to work with older 3.x FWs and manually patched (key) v4.x).
Consoles with Hitachi-LG drives seem totally unaffected (any version, any FW) and always works fine after the update.
So this is easy to solve, just reflash your Toshiba-Samsung drive with the original FW (100% working solution - we suggest you this until we get all details) or upgrade to C4E's latest TS FW (v4.2 (manual key patch might be required for MS25 ... some MS25 users reported that downgrading to v3.3 or lower helped for them)).
Microsoft is NOT banning your gamertag/console on LIVE for this (afaik), but of course ... going on LIVE with a modified FW is always at your own risk (it's against the LIVE terms&conds). Someday MS could start banning consoles/gamertags with modified FWs and if they're smart they first collect info for 1month or 2 and then ban everyone at once
Also note that this story is NOT related with that news about Xbox LIVE banning that was published by Xboxic (and re-posted on many other blogs incl. slashdot) 2-3 days ago. We didn't post about that news here on x-scene, simply because it's not true. heh. MS is banning if you don't behave on LIVE, they might ban on some modified content (like super cars in PGR3) ... but they are not mass banning for modified firmwares (yet). Of course, like I said above, they could start doing this at anytime (and they might be logging stuff already, who knows) ... even if stealth firmwares and (partially) stealth media could make it harder for them.
Here's what Team Xecuter wrote about the E66-issue:
There have been many reports of peoples Xbox 360's dying after the fall update when they have a flashed drive.
One of our friends had this problem so he brought his Xbox to us for analysis. Here are some facts.
1. Samsung MS28 Drive
2. Flashed with Xtreme v3.3
3. E66 error after Fall Update
4. Red lights / No boot to dash
We dumped his firmware and compared to his original X33.bin flash - MD5 was the same and of course that meant his drivekey was correct too.
We then simply converted his X33.bin to the new X42a.bin (Xtreme v4.2 Fast Boot Mode as Default) and reflashed (and for those that may ask using a VIA 6421L card and Xecuter Connectivity Kit v2 with a seperate Molex PSU (wouldnt work with PC power - had to power up the drive first before PC - of course you could use power from the 360 itself too if you wish)
The Xbox 360 now boots just fine - both offline and on live with originals and backups.
Conclusion?
That there was no evidence of the drive being reflashed by the fall update & the live account / MAC address was NOT banned. Also that there was some kind of incompatibility with the new update and the older hacked firmware. Maybe this was accidental or part of the master plan. Who knows?
If others could give input on their own experiences then that would help a lot of people. We are not yet sure if this causes any problems with MS25 or Hitachi drives - time will tell.
For now enough of the scaremongering. You can rescue your drive, although I feel sorry for those people who don't learn from sites like ours on how to do it yourself, as no doubt you'll have to go pay $80 or whatever to the local Joe Schmo who originally flashed your drive.
And of course, as always, use Xbox Live at your own risk if you are using a hacked console. If you ever kill your box or you get banned your cries will unfortunatley fall on deaf ears.
From our data (see this thread and this thread) it looks like it only happens on some Xbox360 consoles with a combination of a Toshiba-Samsung TS-H943 DVD drive (mostly MS28, but we get reports of problems with some MS25 aswell) and some hacked firmwares (below v4.1 on MS28?, MS25 seems to work with older 3.x FWs and manually patched (key) v4.x).
Consoles with Hitachi-LG drives seem totally unaffected (any version, any FW) and always works fine after the update.
So this is easy to solve, just reflash your Toshiba-Samsung drive with the original FW (100% working solution - we suggest you this until we get all details) or upgrade to C4E's latest TS FW (v4.2 (manual key patch might be required for MS25 ... some MS25 users reported that downgrading to v3.3 or lower helped for them)).
Microsoft is NOT banning your gamertag/console on LIVE for this (afaik), but of course ... going on LIVE with a modified FW is always at your own risk (it's against the LIVE terms&conds). Someday MS could start banning consoles/gamertags with modified FWs and if they're smart they first collect info for 1month or 2 and then ban everyone at once
Also note that this story is NOT related with that news about Xbox LIVE banning that was published by Xboxic (and re-posted on many other blogs incl. slashdot) 2-3 days ago. We didn't post about that news here on x-scene, simply because it's not true. heh. MS is banning if you don't behave on LIVE, they might ban on some modified content (like super cars in PGR3) ... but they are not mass banning for modified firmwares (yet). Of course, like I said above, they could start doing this at anytime (and they might be logging stuff already, who knows) ... even if stealth firmwares and (partially) stealth media could make it harder for them.
Here's what Team Xecuter wrote about the E66-issue:
There have been many reports of peoples Xbox 360's dying after the fall update when they have a flashed drive.
One of our friends had this problem so he brought his Xbox to us for analysis. Here are some facts.
1. Samsung MS28 Drive
2. Flashed with Xtreme v3.3
3. E66 error after Fall Update
4. Red lights / No boot to dash
We dumped his firmware and compared to his original X33.bin flash - MD5 was the same and of course that meant his drivekey was correct too.
We then simply converted his X33.bin to the new X42a.bin (Xtreme v4.2 Fast Boot Mode as Default) and reflashed (and for those that may ask using a VIA 6421L card and Xecuter Connectivity Kit v2 with a seperate Molex PSU (wouldnt work with PC power - had to power up the drive first before PC - of course you could use power from the 360 itself too if you wish)
The Xbox 360 now boots just fine - both offline and on live with originals and backups.
Conclusion?
That there was no evidence of the drive being reflashed by the fall update & the live account / MAC address was NOT banned. Also that there was some kind of incompatibility with the new update and the older hacked firmware. Maybe this was accidental or part of the master plan. Who knows?
If others could give input on their own experiences then that would help a lot of people. We are not yet sure if this causes any problems with MS25 or Hitachi drives - time will tell.
For now enough of the scaremongering. You can rescue your drive, although I feel sorry for those people who don't learn from sites like ours on how to do it yourself, as no doubt you'll have to go pay $80 or whatever to the local Joe Schmo who originally flashed your drive.
And of course, as always, use Xbox Live at your own risk if you are using a hacked console. If you ever kill your box or you get banned your cries will unfortunatley fall on deaf ears.
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