which dual core processor - intel or AMD ?
26 April 2006, 04:38 PM
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which dual core processor - intel or AMD ?
AMD or INTEL ?
it appears a no brainer - not only is the AMD chip dual-core, but its 64bit too.
Is it as obvious as that or am I missing something? Also, how does one fare against the other from a heat dissapation perspective ? (My old Athlon XP2800 ran really hot compared to equiv intel)
CROSSFIRE or S.L.I. ?
Also, crossfire or sli ? I'm having to sell my AGP Radeon 9800 Pro, for a PCI-E card (or two) so either is ok with me.
it appears a no brainer - not only is the AMD chip dual-core, but its 64bit too.
Is it as obvious as that or am I missing something? Also, how does one fare against the other from a heat dissapation perspective ? (My old Athlon XP2800 ran really hot compared to equiv intel)
CROSSFIRE or S.L.I. ?
Also, crossfire or sli ? I'm having to sell my AGP Radeon 9800 Pro, for a PCI-E card (or two) so either is ok with me.
26 April 2006, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by spectrum48k
AMD or INTEL ?
it appears a no brainer - not only is the AMD chip dual-core, but its 64bit too.
Is it as obvious as that or am I missing something?
CROSSFIRE or S.L.I. ?
Also, crossfire or sli ? I'm having to sell my AGP Radeon 9800 Pro, for a PCI-E card (or two) so either is ok with me.
it appears a no brainer - not only is the AMD chip dual-core, but its 64bit too.
Is it as obvious as that or am I missing something?
CROSSFIRE or S.L.I. ?
Also, crossfire or sli ? I'm having to sell my AGP Radeon 9800 Pro, for a PCI-E card (or two) so either is ok with me.
no brainer indeed...AMD all-the-way
If your budget can be stretched, i'd suggest the 4400 X2 (approx £330) or the 4800 X2 (approx £450)
The biggest difference between these chips chip and the 4200/4600 (etc) is the 1MB of cache per core. This would lay the foundation of a mighty quick machine.
I've not had much experience with crossfire so can't comment.
26 April 2006, 04:51 PM
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Cheers Scooby
Can anyone suggest a video card for me?
Criteria:
1. Suitable for socket 939 board, ASUS A8R32-MVP DELUXE [ PCI-E 16x ]
2. Mid-range performance for games and 3D apps.
3. Budget £160
4. DirectX 10 compatible (any out yet?)
Can anyone suggest a video card for me?
Criteria:
1. Suitable for socket 939 board, ASUS A8R32-MVP DELUXE [ PCI-E 16x ]
2. Mid-range performance for games and 3D apps.
3. Budget £160
4. DirectX 10 compatible (any out yet?)
26 April 2006, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by spectrum48k
Can anyone suggest a video card for me?
26 April 2006, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bob269
There's never a good time to buy a gfx card. There's always a new one released the day after you've spent your hard earned money
too true
DirectX 10 compatibility is important, so I may just buy something cheap for now and upgrade when the dx10 cards come out.
26 April 2006, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by spectrum48k
AMD or INTEL ?
it appears a no brainer - not only is the AMD chip dual-core, but its 64bit too.
Is it as obvious as that or am I missing something? Also, how does one fare against the other from a heat dissapation perspective ? (My old Athlon XP2800 ran really hot compared to equiv intel)
it appears a no brainer - not only is the AMD chip dual-core, but its 64bit too.
Is it as obvious as that or am I missing something? Also, how does one fare against the other from a heat dissapation perspective ? (My old Athlon XP2800 ran really hot compared to equiv intel)
If you can hang on for a while then Intel has some very very nice parts coming down the line. We've (yep, I work for Intel!) already demonstrated a quad-core to the press a couple of months ago but before that comes out we have the dual-core version if you like. See here http://www.intel.com/technology/architecture/coremicro/ for the boring techie bits. And use google to look for 'Woodcrest' and 'Conroe' .......
Dave
PS: and for those that spout forth about AMD's hypertransport being the real differentiator, that has been addressed as well .... benchmarks I've seen show Woodcrest in a VERY good light against the competition ... :-)
PPS: sorry, out of touch on graphics ...
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26 April 2006, 08:56 PM
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Very nice Dave.
Any free engineering samples about?
H
Any free engineering samples about?
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
Depends which Intel chip you're talking about! Very few are shipped that are not 64-bit as well these days. Unless you have operating system support you don't get the full benefit anyway - AMD or Intel.
If you can hang on for a while then Intel has some very very nice parts coming down the line. We've (yep, I work for Intel!) already demonstrated a quad-core to the press a couple of months ago but before that comes out we have the dual-core version if you like. See here http://www.intel.com/technology/architecture/coremicro/ for the boring techie bits. And use google to look for 'Woodcrest' and 'Conroe' .......
Dave
PS: and for those that spout forth about AMD's hypertransport being the real differentiator, that has been addressed as well .... benchmarks I've seen show Woodcrest in a VERY good light against the competition ... :-)
PPS: sorry, out of touch on graphics ...
If you can hang on for a while then Intel has some very very nice parts coming down the line. We've (yep, I work for Intel!) already demonstrated a quad-core to the press a couple of months ago but before that comes out we have the dual-core version if you like. See here http://www.intel.com/technology/architecture/coremicro/ for the boring techie bits. And use google to look for 'Woodcrest' and 'Conroe' .......
Dave
PS: and for those that spout forth about AMD's hypertransport being the real differentiator, that has been addressed as well .... benchmarks I've seen show Woodcrest in a VERY good light against the competition ... :-)
PPS: sorry, out of touch on graphics ...
26 April 2006, 10:06 PM
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For a more objective view have a look at this:
http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/04/24...rs_for_low_uk/
http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/04/24...rs_for_low_uk/
26 April 2006, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jpor
For a more objective view have a look at this:
http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/04/24...rs_for_low_uk/
http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/04/24...rs_for_low_uk/
Sorry - can't get eng. samples ... unless you're a very big customer!!?
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26 April 2006, 10:36 PM
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That's not Woodcrest ........ :-)
Sorry - can't get eng. samples ... unless you're a very big customer!!?
Dave
Sorry - can't get eng. samples ... unless you're a very big customer!!?
Dave
Here is the quad core review:
http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/03/13..._uk/index.html
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hutton_d, thanks for the info but I need a solution thats here and now.
The future Intel stuff looks promising, but I need to have my new rig up and running by the middle of next week, which means AMD x2 64bit
The article on the Robson / hybrid hard drives was interesting - can't wait for a flash hard drive in my PC but thats a way off for now.
The future Intel stuff looks promising, but I need to have my new rig up and running by the middle of next week, which means AMD x2 64bit
The article on the Robson / hybrid hard drives was interesting - can't wait for a flash hard drive in my PC but thats a way off for now.
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The AMD dual core option is the best at the moment, though Intel will probably be releasing new stuff in the not too distant future.
If you want to overclock the cores then the better option is to go for the 512Kb cache per core chips as the 1Mb cores have a higher transistor count and therefore put out more heat. I run an X2 4200 which is clocked up to 2.5Ghz per core (stock is 2.2Ghz) and it barely gets over 30° C
If you want to overclock the cores then the better option is to go for the 512Kb cache per core chips as the 1Mb cores have a higher transistor count and therefore put out more heat. I run an X2 4200 which is clocked up to 2.5Ghz per core (stock is 2.2Ghz) and it barely gets over 30° C
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Originally Posted by spectrum48k
hutton_d, thanks for the info but I need a solution thats here and now.
The future Intel stuff looks promising, but I need to have my new rig up and running by the middle of next week, which means AMD x2 64bit
The article on the Robson / hybrid hard drives was interesting - can't wait for a flash hard drive in my PC but thats a way off for now.
The future Intel stuff looks promising, but I need to have my new rig up and running by the middle of next week, which means AMD x2 64bit
The article on the Robson / hybrid hard drives was interesting - can't wait for a flash hard drive in my PC but thats a way off for now.
Dave
27 April 2006, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MJW
The AMD dual core option is the best at the moment, though Intel will probably be releasing new stuff in the not too distant future.
If you want to overclock the cores then the better option is to go for the 512Kb cache per core chips as the 1Mb cores have a higher transistor count and therefore put out more heat. I run an X2 4200 which is clocked up to 2.5Ghz per core (stock is 2.2Ghz) and it barely gets over 30° C
If you want to overclock the cores then the better option is to go for the 512Kb cache per core chips as the 1Mb cores have a higher transistor count and therefore put out more heat. I run an X2 4200 which is clocked up to 2.5Ghz per core (stock is 2.2Ghz) and it barely gets over 30° C
27 April 2006, 12:13 PM
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Sorry - can't get eng. samples ... unless you're a very big customer!!?
Dave
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I've never had any issues with Intel chips, AMD may be 0.001 nano seconds faster when overclocked playing quake 4 on a Tuesday afternoon with a south facing sun, but I like the stability of the Intel.
27 April 2006, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bob269
I've never had any issues with Intel chips, AMD may be 0.001 nano seconds faster when overclocked playing quake 4 on a Tuesday afternoon with a south facing sun, but I like the stability of the Intel.
27 April 2006, 01:35 PM
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£260 from malaysia 
Still even if I'd paid £690 for it here, its still slightly cheaper than the equivalent Intel 995 extreme at £694 which can barbecue food for a party of twenty
Still even if I'd paid £690 for it here, its still slightly cheaper than the equivalent Intel 995 extreme at £694 which can barbecue food for a party of twenty
27 April 2006, 02:52 PM
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£260 from malaysia
Still even if I'd paid £690 for it here, its still slightly cheaper than the equivalent Intel 995 extreme at £694 which can barbecue food for a party of twenty
Still even if I'd paid £690 for it here, its still slightly cheaper than the equivalent Intel 995 extreme at £694 which can barbecue food for a party of twenty
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