Fuchsrohre

The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be
regarded as a criminal offence. (Edsger Dijkstra)

Consistently separating words by spaces became a general custom about
the tenth century A.D., and lasted until about 1957, when FORTRAN
abandoned the practice. (Sun FORTRAN Reference Manual)

Cobol has almost no fervent enthusiasts. As a programming tool, it has
roughly the sex appeal of a wrench. (Charles Petzold)

C++ is the only current language making COBOL look good. (Bertrand Meyer)

C++ has its place in the history of programming languages. Just as
Caligula has his place in the history of the Roman Empire. (Robert Firth)

Arguing that Java is better than C++ is like arguing that grasshoppers
taste better than tree bark. (Thant Tessman)

Java is, in many ways, C++--. (Michael Feldman)
If Java had true garbage collection, most programs would delete
themselves upon execution. (Robert Sewell)

It is practically impossible to teach good programming style to students
that have had prior exposure to BASIC; as potential programmers they are
mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration. (Edsger Dijkstra)

In my egotistical opinion, most people's C programs should be indented
six feet downward and covered with dirt. (Blair P. Houghton)

C++ is history repeated as tragedy. Java is history repeated as farce.
(Scott McKay)

Unix and C are the ultimate computer viruses. (Richard P Gabriel)

mark1234

So, java, C, C++, BASIC, COBOL and FORTRAN suck.. what's left?

(please don't say perl...)

lightning101

Pascal - LOL

GaryK

Pascal was too good thats why it was left out!

A few others that spring to mind; Algol, Ada, Forth, Lisp

Gary

Iain Young

Oi, I make my living programming in COBOL!!!!

stevencotton

Lisp is the most powerful language listed above, shame more people don't know it or they'd be better programmers

mark1234

Urgh! Learnt on pascal. Happy to leave that, and ADA etc. Only thing I remember about lisp was utter confusion and lots of ((( ))) stuff!

Me, I'll stick to C ta

boxst

Hello

To practice you need:



http://www.c-jump.com/

Steve

stevem2k

(c) B3ta

SJ_Skyline

Prolog

jpor

iTrader: (1)

B.A.S.I.C. And I mean the old school one with the line numbers Anyone remember programming a Vic20?

Iain Young

I remember programming a Dragon 32

Fuchsrohre

I started on the Spectrum 48k in BASIC, then Z80A assembler

Then I discovered the delights of the BBC'B, its lovely BASIC and 6502 assembler

Moved onto the Amiga 1000 and wrote some games in 68000 assembler

Then I got a i486 PC, pulled my hair out with REAL mode, then got a DOS/4GW extender!

Now I program in high level like a big girl's blouse!

jpor

iTrader: (1)

You watched that old T.V programme 'wizkids' then I seem to recall they could hack a Government system with a ZX81 and a Modem.

Fuchsrohre

You've lost me!

I did used to do a bit of hacking back in the day. Like a few others on here, I'd connect to an early alternative to the internet, called Micronet, back in '83. You could send emails back and forth etc... Think of the WWW with Teletext graphics. Anyone remember when Prince Charles' email got done?

In '83 my spectrum used to sit on this powerhouse of modem glory (1200/75 bits/sec)


I used to use a gateway called PSS (packet switch stream) and I'd hack Apple's account to get over to BBS & MUD systems in the USA. Back then the dozy admins used to have crap security like user: test pass: 123 and stuff like that. I was only 12 and thought I was a cool hacker dude!

My BBC Model B had a good old Miracle Technology WS2000 modem:

GaryK

Ah yes the good ol' days! I started on a zx81 then when I went over to a vic20/C64 started doing 6502 assembler, damn with 8 bit registers it was a pain, even in the commercial world I still remember my first job doing 6800 assembler using a 2 pass macro assembler that would take 15 minutes to do a compile and link and then using a hex editor to make program changes!

Gary

Fuchsrohre

GaryK, was it K-SEKA or HiSoft DEVPAC ?

GaryK

It was actually a motorola assembler and it used to run on something called MDOS which was motorolas own DOS (this was 1983 so M$ hadnt really captured the market as yet), talking of age as well we used to write data to 360K single sided 8 yes 8 inch floppies! Jeez that makes me feel old now!

I remember HiSoft they used to do ASM and C compilers for 68000 didnt they?

Fuchsrohre

Yes, HiSoft did assemblers - DevPac was their 68000 package. Sorry, in your earlier post I misread - you typed 6800 not 68000!

If you coded for the Amiga (or Atari ST) you'd typically choose:

- HiSoft DevPac
- K-SEKA
- ArgAsm

GaryK

Ah OK, yes I was referring to 6800, I never really did much 68000 ASM even though with 16 bit registers it was easier, I kinda just played games then and when I took up coding again on the PC I went into GW BASIC and then onto xBase (Clipper 87) then Foxpro then Delphi since about 95.

What 'high level' tool are you using?

Gary

boxst

Hello

I used to have one of those! And run a BBS of my own when I was 13. One of those "ringback" ones that used to irritate my parents.

I was supposedly a "hacker" as well....

Steve

Fuchsrohre

>What 'high level' tool are you using?

Whatever the project demands really...VB, C++, ASP, CF, Director, Flash, etc...

Fuchsrohre

I probably "surfed" your BBS then, especially if it was advertised in the back of Sinclair User or Your Computer!