SimonH

2 PCs, both with a 3com NIC in. Connected with Cat5 crossover.
PC 1 is an XP2000+ running XP Home
PC 2 is a PIII 750 running XP Pro.

PC 1 is connected, via USB to a BT Home Highway ISDN TA on the wall by the phone socket.
I want to be able to file swap and to share the internet connection between the computers.

I have run the Home Network setup wizard. Both computers have different IP addresses.
PC 1 shows PC 2 under the MSHOME title in "My Network Places". If I try and browse to it I get
"//PC2 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the blah blah....
The network path was not found"

If I try and connect to the internet from PC 2 I can't.

The Network connection icon that sits in the tray shows that the connection is up and running at 100Mbps.

Is there anyone that can talk me through setting this thing up as it's driving me to distraction. I would be eternally grateful

PS. Under network connections, the LAN is listed as "Local Area Connection 5" on PC 1. There is only one NIC and one connection so why the 5? On PC 2 it's listed as {b]2[/b]

ozzy

With XP, you need to grant permissions on the share itself first. That allows you to basically attach to the sharename from a remote workstation. You need to add the username of the person from the remote PC.

Next, you then need to grant permissions to the files and folders within the share.

If you right-click on the sharename (from the local PC), then go inot properties and look at the sharing tab. There's a permissions button in their where you setup permissions on the share.

There's a seperate Permissions tab, where you define permissions on the individual files and folders.

Stefan

stiscooby

Ah, I also have a problem with networking Win XP Pro.

I have two pc's both running XP Pro, networked through a router which gives each pc an IP address.

Both pc's connect and can view the contents of the other pc but I am having a problem when it comes to the permissions.

As default the permission user group is set to "everyone" which works fine but I want to, if possible, add the name of the other networked pc so only that pc can access it. The problem being I cant seem to add the other networked user name/pc name, when I go into the permissions settings and come to the option in the advanced settings it gives me the option to "check the computer name" but when I try to do this is says it can't find that user name even though I can browse and see the computer I am trying to connect to in network places!!

Any ideas? If you can follow all that???

Ken E

SimonH

Is the firewall enabled on the LAN connection or the ISDN connection ? This is the most common problem when the connectivity seems OK but you can't get access.

Ken

Foot_Tapper

SimonH, the second pc needs to be on DHCP, which means it can
generate its own ip adddress. Is it on dhcp already ??
If so ip is prob 192.168.0.X, (have to use dhcp for internet)
Are the pc's members of the same workgroup, (not sure if this is required, but may help)
Do you log onto the pc's or do they go straight into windows ??
create accounts on both pc's which are identical in name & password; this makes things easier.

Stiscooby
Have you shared out any folders on your pc, at all ?
In the properties for your "network connection" you will need
Client for microsoft networks
File & print sharing
Do you have these ?
Again create accounts with admin rights,on each pc that are same username & password.
make them members of same workgroup may help as well.

stiscooby

Yea I have Client for MS network installed as well as file and print sharing. The user names on each pc are also "Administrators". I have shared the hard disks on each pc.

Both ps'c are using the same workgroup name. They see each other fine when looking through network places etc and I can view the contents on the other pc it just wont let me add the name of the pc im connected to in the permissions???

So I either have to have "everyone" in the permissions or no one at all which aint much help. It seems to only add users/groups, in the permissions, for the pc I am on not the other networked pc.

Any ideas?

P.S. Sorry for hijacking the thread!

Mcbrun555

reinstall win xp on both that is what i had to do!!

otherwise make sure you create users and passwords identical on both computers for both users

then do start -> run "gpedit" on the host computer
and add both users to the relevant groups

mcbrun555

Mark Underwood

Simon

I use XP on all my machines and run one with Linux. I use a Belkin router (£45) and also I have broadband

Cant quite see why you have not set up a simple network. Mine works great

Jeff Wiltshire

It sounds as if the two machines are not on the same IP Address range.

Open up a command (DOS) window and type

ipconfig /all

Do this on both machines and see if they are on the same sub-net.


Jeff

jowettjupiter

SimonH

The best solution is to use a router other wise you will always have to have both machines on at the same time. Also v safe as its a natural firewall...

[Edited by jowettjupiter - 1/31/2003 5:09:55 PM]

Jeff Wiltshire

Jowettjupiter

Routers are not natural firewalls.....

NewWrX

Jeff,

Not wishing to start a debate on this but my network share a single external IP address. From the external point of view there is no network only a single device. For external requests any attempt to connect to local resources is blocked. The router does not not reverse translate from a global IP address to a local IP address. If this is not "natural" I don't know what is....

Jeff Wiltshire

Security is not a design feature of Network Address Translation. It is true that dynamic (or One to many) NAT will block incoming requests except if the incoming packet is in the same sub-net as the hidden addresses.

Routers are not natural firewalls. There are 3 types of firewall

Application (Proxy)
Statefull Inspection
Packet Filter

Some routers have packet filters as part of their OS.

I'm more than happy to have a discussion about this as IT Security is how I earn my living !


Jeff

NewWrX

As I said lets not have an unhelpful (to this thread) debate but I reckon you agree that you get a lot more protection from a router acting as a transparent proxy server than would otherwise be the case.

Jeff Wiltshire

I didn't say anything about a Transparent Proxy Server (and neither did you).....NAT is not Transparent Proxing.

NAT will help stop attacks but it isn't secure...

Routers are not firewalls (natural or otherwise).

If you want security, get a firewall. If you want to route get a router. Don't rely on RFC1918 addresses and NAT to stop things.


Jeff

bigsinky

@jeff wiltshire

sorry for hijackin the thread here but i wanted to know summat. i have 1 meg bb runnin on the puter. i also have outpost firewall pro installed and running fine. i have bought a router on ebay with NAT. when i install the router can i discontinue use of outpost firewall or would you advise running this in conjunction with the router.

cheers

big sinky

Jeff Wiltshire

I would advise you use both....I'm a great believer in belt & braces when it comes to security.

Puff The Magic Wagon!

iTrader: (2)

Chastity belt that is

mega_stream

I can imagine telling the board of directors at my company, you can sleep safe at night, we're using NAT on the routers

Scuzzlebutt

Simple mate - it is exactly about permissions! Create a user on the XP Pro machines under control panel, users. Give the user a username and a password and give it permissions to the folder on sharing and security...

Create the same user on the XP Home and log in with it - job's a good un!

Brendan Hughes

Tried for ages to connect my old laptop (Win 98) and my new desktop (XP Home) with a DCC. Got VERY similar symptoms to the ones you describe, just couldn't figure it out. I simply want to be able to use the CDrom drive in the desktop to install stuff on the laptop.

Can't follow most of the answers in this thread, way too technical

Am now waiting until my bro' comes to Portugal (cue flying pig) or someone else helps me with it for free. I'm hoping the requirements will change in the meantime, namely that I buy a house and create a small network to take advantage of the broadband and the laserjet.

SimonH

Thanks folks - sorry for the delay in replying but last couple of days have been spent somewhere, er , hot and sandy Quick day off to sort out the PCs then do it all again.

I'll have a go at playing with the permissions things and see how I get on.

Ta

SimonH

The IP addresses of the 2 PCs are within the same range (192.168.0.1 and 2). Tried creating hew accounts but can find nothing anywhere about Permissions. In fact I can't find anything in windows about Permissions. The Help and Support thing is particularly useful; do a search on Permissions and it says, "you can change permissions blah blah" but no actual clue as to how........

HAve just bought a laptop too so am off to buy a network hub and cables and try and wire them all up together.........

Chris@Excal

Had the same problem, but here is the solution;
Connect 2 pc's together (I used a hub but now have a crossover cable.)
On XP Machine, go to the dial up connection you are using, go to properties, and tick the box that alows others to use this connection for the internet.
On the 98 machine, go to Network neighborhood, properties, change the workgroup to the same domain as the XP machine. Re boot, and hey presto!
Took me hours to work out, but is so eay..!!!
Chris

ChrisB

Permissions are set on Files or Folders.

To share a folder out on one PC for the other to see - right click the folder, choosing Sharing. Default permissions of Everyone should be fine.

Just a note - when Scuzzlebutt said create the same account on both PCs, they should have the same Username *and* password.

SimonH

Right that's it. What a pile of sh1te.

I absolutely positively cannot sort this pile of **** out.
XP home PC connected to XP Pro PC via hub.
Network is connected and there is traffic flow over it.
XP Pro PC shows up in My Network Places on the XP Home machine. It cannot, however, be accessed at all. Usual drivel about permissions.
XP Home PC does not show up at all on XP Pro machine.
Permissions on XP Pro Machine are set to every man and his dog.
Permissions on XP Home Machine cannot be accessed (not a feature on Home apparently).
PCs both have manual IP addresses; 192.168.1.1 (Home) and 2 (Pro).
XP Home has internet connection.
XP Pro cannot share it. Doesn't even seem to know where to look.

For pity's sake will somebody please put me out of my misery - either come round and shoot me or, tell me, in words of one syllable, what in the name of Satan's **** I am meant to do to get these two *******ing computers to sodding well talk to each other.....

SimonH

Could this be a protocols issue? I read on the net that too many of these can cause problems.
When I click on the network in explorer it is very slow to open and then gives an unaccessible error. These were both given as symptoms of protocols problems. Trouble is both PCs only seem to have TCP/ICP installed....

?

SimonH

SimonH

Ah well, it would appear that even the combined brain power of the massive Scoobynet IT geekery cannot solve this problem
If anyone does come up with an answer I would be eternally grateful
Off to the desert again now, so I can stop worrying about it

ChrisB

From the bottom...

Both machines are on the same IP range.

Can you Ping from one machine to the other and vice versa succesfully?