JackClark

http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/

Fair to say I'm on their side, what say you?

Tidgy

Allowing terrorists to hide plain and simple apple, should be ashamed.

Bear in mind it's a court of law that has said they must, not just a police request. You can argue the finer points of apple as far as price etc etc but when they refuse a request to do with a crime it draws a line in the sand, apple are wrong, plain and simple.

If it turns out he had accomplices and apple try to block it then they should be charged with harbouring a criminal.

neil-h

Oh for crying out loud.

Tidgy

why?

neil-h

Surely you must be able to see that creating a backdoor into the operating system of millions of mobile devices is a bad idea. Even with the best of intentions.

Tidgy

your assuming it has perfect security already.

besides i dont care, if it stops people being killed by a bunch of nutters im all for it

neil-h

So you'd sacrifice the privacy/security of millions just for the sake of preventing what is actually quite an infrequent event?

dpb

So there go potential jhadists - get an iPhone , youre untouchable

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

Is that really what's being asked for here though? I thought the Feds wanted access to one specific phone, not a general-purpose hack they could use on just any device.

neil-h

Yeah because it's purely an Apple argument...

Nope, it's something that you'd be able to install to any iOS device.

Tidgy

Given i have nothing to hide then yes.

What you hiding?

JackClark

Encryption is not Apple specific, although they're really good at it and prepared to fight for privacy it seems. If Apple are made to create a back door then that's opened up every encrypted anything to the US government.

The problem we have here are a lot of people who don't understand the consequences will side with the judge. All because they used the terrorist word and he had an iPhone which may contain nothing.

JackClark

What's your pin number?

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

Fair enough, but what about the option of the Feds handing Apple the phone, allowing them to decrypt and take all the data off it, and then handing that data back to the Feds? You would think that's the logical compromise here, which should see both sides come out happy, but where do they actually stand on pursuing that?

neil-h

If I posted it on here I wouldn't be hiding it would I

My issue is what happens when the code inevitably finds its way into the public domain. Then you've got a massive security vulnerability created by the very people who created the security system in the first place.

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Im with Jack

BurningSky

I've never understood the argument of if you're doing nothing wrong then you've got nothing to hide. Just because I'm not a criminal doesn't mean I want everyone to have access to any area of my life. As soon as the ability exists someone somewhere will exploit it for their own gain. It's as bonkers and the governments idea to ban encryption...

Tidgy

what pin number?

i dont have one

im not stupid enough to have anything vitally important on a mobile device that can be lost

BurningSky

You don't have a smartphone then? You've never read an email on your phone or logged into a website? You don't have to have your bank card details with your address and security code saved on it for the information on your phone to be damaging. A lot of mobile companies won't even refund fraudulently made calls from phones these days as my friend found out to his cost

Tidgy

logged into facebook on it which i dont really care about, but dont save passwords on it for sites etc

there too easy to loose to keep anything irreplaceable on

Markus

For some light reading: https://stratechery.com/2016/apple-v...nd-encryption/

Boro

iTrader: (1)

I can't believe the US Government can't crack a simple 4 digit pass code on an iPhone haha.

Give it to a 14yr old hacker and they'll probably have it opened in 5mins.

joz8968

iTrader: (13)

JackClark

I want to know how they'd get the update on the phone so they can unlock it. Pretty sure they'll need the passcode to do that.

hodgy0_2

They can, the problem is they only get 10 try's, then the phone bricks itself

Difficult one,


I thought the request was only for that phone

Surely if they could write code that bypasses the security then the security has already been compromised, just because you haven't actually written the code does not really changed that fact

neil-h

Given what they're asking for I'd assume it would be a generic piece of code that would work on any iOS device, given that the pass code system would be a common script.

Markus

I don't think they know wether it's a simple 4 digit code or something more complex. My guess is they're not trying anything in case it is invalid and they reach the 10 invalid limit and the phone wipes itself, if of course, the phone is set to do that, it might not be, no way to know, because, catch 22, you need the passcode to have a sniff at the settings.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

They should give it to the fat lad on CSI Cyber.

Beastie

iTrader: (2)

Can't they find the guys finger to unlock it??

JackClark

My first thought, but it's a 5c so no Touch ID. What I want to know is how any new code written to unlock it will get on it without the passcode. Nobody can answer that.