For sale section - suggestions
For sale section - suggestions
I think the for sale section/s on this site could be better.
Going from other forums I've used, I have a few suggestions:
1. Anything for sale must have a price.
2. No bumping your own thread within 24 hours
3. Pictures should be used, with all of the idiots taking money from people with no intention of sending the goods, pictures could include a piece of paper, with the sellers name forum name written on it.
Thats all I can think if now, just somthing I've wanted to get of my chest.
It really gets on my nerves when someone bumps an item 4-5 times a day, when its clarly an item no one seems to be interested in, or something non-subaru.
Also ads that say offers. Its not ebay or an auction site, if you want to sell something, have an idea of what its worth, and take offers from there.
Perhaps I'm just spending to much time on here, but I always got to the for sale section first, thats why I'm moaning.
Going from other forums I've used, I have a few suggestions:
1. Anything for sale must have a price.
2. No bumping your own thread within 24 hours
3. Pictures should be used, with all of the idiots taking money from people with no intention of sending the goods, pictures could include a piece of paper, with the sellers name forum name written on it.
Thats all I can think if now, just somthing I've wanted to get of my chest.
It really gets on my nerves when someone bumps an item 4-5 times a day, when its clarly an item no one seems to be interested in, or something non-subaru.
Also ads that say offers. Its not ebay or an auction site, if you want to sell something, have an idea of what its worth, and take offers from there.
Perhaps I'm just spending to much time on here, but I always got to the for sale section first, thats why I'm moaning.
I started a topic about the for sale section a while ago. Alot of my ideas were backed up by the members:-
Split parts into Classic, Bugeye, Hawkeye, etc
New users cant sell anything until they have achieved a certain post limit AND been registered for X amount of time.
Split parts into Classic, Bugeye, Hawkeye, etc
New users cant sell anything until they have achieved a certain post limit AND been registered for X amount of time.
Sorry Boro, I only browsed the first page of posts in this section.
I'd disagree about splitting the sections. they do it on PassionFord, and its annoying when you have to sell a generic item. They have its split into RS parts, Non RS, Cosworth, Non Cosworth etc. Something simular on NASIOC
Afterall, this site is only really about one model Subaru, and most of the parts are interchangeable.
Post count limit and being registered for so long is a good call though.
I'd disagree about splitting the sections. they do it on PassionFord, and its annoying when you have to sell a generic item. They have its split into RS parts, Non RS, Cosworth, Non Cosworth etc. Something simular on NASIOC
Afterall, this site is only really about one model Subaru, and most of the parts are interchangeable.
Post count limit and being registered for so long is a good call though.
100% agree with the must have a price point, not that I have bought anything for a while on here, but I have bought a LOT over my time, and a lot of the time I used to just skip ads without prices, as I felt the seller was just hoping that someone would offer more than something was worth.
Again, I agree with the restricted sales for members of a certain number of posts and ones that have been registered for a set amount of time, this may also prevent a lot of the spam crap if you restricted it to starting any thread for brand new members.
Can't really see the point of the pic of the forum names/sellers name, as that could quite easily be fabricated if the seller was intent on ripping people off.
Maybe the for sale section could do with moderating a little better, as it appears that everyone puts most items in the "General for sale" as it gets most hits, where really a LOT of the items should have gone into the "Parts and accessories" section. I may have been guilty of this on more than one occasion.
This for me would be a better solution that splitting into to many specialised categories.
Again, I agree with the restricted sales for members of a certain number of posts and ones that have been registered for a set amount of time, this may also prevent a lot of the spam crap if you restricted it to starting any thread for brand new members.
Can't really see the point of the pic of the forum names/sellers name, as that could quite easily be fabricated if the seller was intent on ripping people off.
Maybe the for sale section could do with moderating a little better, as it appears that everyone puts most items in the "General for sale" as it gets most hits, where really a LOT of the items should have gone into the "Parts and accessories" section. I may have been guilty of this on more than one occasion.
This for me would be a better solution that splitting into to many specialised categories.
Well I was going to start a new thread on this topic, but instead I shall jump in here.
I am not too fussed with the Market Place per se, though it could do with a good clean up and re-organisation in my opinion. Agree with many of the points raised by JoeyTurbo and Boro.
My take on this and the reason for posting, is because there has been a steady increase in the cases of people ripping off members on SN and it needs to be addressed now !!
The days of a common ground whereby subaru owners with a common interest would trade stuff, car parts etc with some nice well mannered feedback, the seller exchanging technical help and advice etc are long gone due to the scale of the site, the amount of members and the way selling and buying has been allowed to evolve.
Now SN has built up a reputation of not being a great place to source items, but instead a haven for every sort of scammer, con merchant and thieving gits. Not a reputation that the current owners will envy I am sure.
Whilst a large majority of the trading done on this site is above board and genuine, the element of scammers is on the increase.
Looking on other forums, you will see that many employ a couple of systems as the norm (though there may be other methods).
The first one and this is the one I favour.
Longevity of potential seller: whereby a person wanting to sell items must have a certain amount of post count on the forum and be registered for a certain period. The post count must be realistic and made up of at least some decent content. Difficult to police and manage this one, but it will stop some halfwit deciding to post 100 smilies on 100 posts, get their selling ability and then start scamming.
The certain time period may be useful, because that way, combined with some post counts, it would stop potential rip off merchants from registering in lets say May, not posting for months and suddenly in August start selling stuff. Either method will fail on its own or be circumvented, but when combined, it makes the job harder for them.
Reputation levels
This second method involves a system whereby sellers and members are attributed a repuation point for everytime they sell or buy and the transaction goes smoothly. Similar to a feedback system but gives potential buyers the ability to see at a glance how well rated the seller is.
Either way, through personal experience, am getting fed up with the way decent members on here are allowed to be ripped off on a regular basis with seemingly no backlash or action being taken by the administration.
Just looking through the Policy section over the last 6 months would bring up this reaccuring theme with many familiar names cropping up.
Lets hope something can be done and done soon
I am not too fussed with the Market Place per se, though it could do with a good clean up and re-organisation in my opinion. Agree with many of the points raised by JoeyTurbo and Boro.
My take on this and the reason for posting, is because there has been a steady increase in the cases of people ripping off members on SN and it needs to be addressed now !!
The days of a common ground whereby subaru owners with a common interest would trade stuff, car parts etc with some nice well mannered feedback, the seller exchanging technical help and advice etc are long gone due to the scale of the site, the amount of members and the way selling and buying has been allowed to evolve.
Now SN has built up a reputation of not being a great place to source items, but instead a haven for every sort of scammer, con merchant and thieving gits. Not a reputation that the current owners will envy I am sure.
Whilst a large majority of the trading done on this site is above board and genuine, the element of scammers is on the increase.
Looking on other forums, you will see that many employ a couple of systems as the norm (though there may be other methods).
The first one and this is the one I favour.
Longevity of potential seller: whereby a person wanting to sell items must have a certain amount of post count on the forum and be registered for a certain period. The post count must be realistic and made up of at least some decent content. Difficult to police and manage this one, but it will stop some halfwit deciding to post 100 smilies on 100 posts, get their selling ability and then start scamming.
The certain time period may be useful, because that way, combined with some post counts, it would stop potential rip off merchants from registering in lets say May, not posting for months and suddenly in August start selling stuff. Either method will fail on its own or be circumvented, but when combined, it makes the job harder for them.
Reputation levels
This second method involves a system whereby sellers and members are attributed a repuation point for everytime they sell or buy and the transaction goes smoothly. Similar to a feedback system but gives potential buyers the ability to see at a glance how well rated the seller is.
Either way, through personal experience, am getting fed up with the way decent members on here are allowed to be ripped off on a regular basis with seemingly no backlash or action being taken by the administration.
Just looking through the Policy section over the last 6 months would bring up this reaccuring theme with many familiar names cropping up.
Lets hope something can be done and done soon
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Very good idea, something I always do and I ignore sales that don't.
I find it interesting that some people only ever seem to be selling things and rarely post in the other forums. I think you should be a minimal £5 member to use the for sale section.
I find it interesting that some people only ever seem to be selling things and rarely post in the other forums. I think you should be a minimal £5 member to use the for sale section.
Here is a link to a recent thread that dealt with this topic
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...ey-honest.html
and here
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...scoobynet.html
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...ey-honest.html
and here
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...scoobynet.html
Last edited by SwissTony; Nov 28, 2008 at 04:15 PM.
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On TTS, if something for sale doesn't have a price and the sellers location, I vape the thread, as it's in breach of our T's & C's.
Not sure the minimum post count is workable, mind. Some users were complaining that newbies were registering and their 1st post was something for sale. Introduced a limit, and some were complaining about that. In the end we thought F' it. And that's just a fairly small local forum.
A seller rating thing, similar to Fleabay and some other forums, may work well though. Only downside is that everyone would start with 0, so how do you know who to trust?
I guess I'm lucky that every transaction, not that many to be fair though, have went smoothly.
I don't like the idea of breaking it down into modles, ala PassionFord, as I think it looks, well a bit crap. Also that a lot of parts from the newer cars will fit classics.
Not sure the minimum post count is workable, mind. Some users were complaining that newbies were registering and their 1st post was something for sale. Introduced a limit, and some were complaining about that. In the end we thought F' it. And that's just a fairly small local forum.
A seller rating thing, similar to Fleabay and some other forums, may work well though. Only downside is that everyone would start with 0, so how do you know who to trust?
I guess I'm lucky that every transaction, not that many to be fair though, have went smoothly.
I don't like the idea of breaking it down into modles, ala PassionFord, as I think it looks, well a bit crap. Also that a lot of parts from the newer cars will fit classics.
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1. Anything for sale must have a price.
2. No bumping your own thread within 24 hours
3. Pictures should be used, with all of the idiots taking money from people with no intention of sending the goods, pictures could include a piece of paper, with the sellers name forum name written on it.
2. No bumping your own thread within 24 hours
3. Pictures should be used, with all of the idiots taking money from people with no intention of sending the goods, pictures could include a piece of paper, with the sellers name forum name written on it.
some people dont have a clue what somethings are worth. (not that I like it when some poeple put offers) but I have done it in the past.
my 2p surely to be ignored...
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Difficult to police and manage this one, but it will stop some halfwit deciding to post 100 smilies on 100 posts, get their selling ability and then start scamming.
The certain time period may be useful, because that way, combined with some post counts, it would stop potential rip off merchants from registering in lets say May, not posting for months and suddenly in August start selling stuff. Either method will fail on its own or be circumvented, but when combined, it makes the job harder for them.
The certain time period may be useful, because that way, combined with some post counts, it would stop potential rip off merchants from registering in lets say May, not posting for months and suddenly in August start selling stuff. Either method will fail on its own or be circumvented, but when combined, it makes the job harder for them.
It will be hard to find a fair balance.
The first thing to say is that in a lot of cases, a forum gets the 'For Sale' section it deserves - so if it has a lot of members who aren't community spirited, you will probably have problems in a lot of the sections. When a forum doesn't have/loses that spirit, you tend to see more problem sales. I would say that for that reason trader rating aren't that useful - but searching on a sellers other threads is, this gives you a good idea what the person is like.
So the first thing to be done to improve the For Sale experience is to build more community spirit in the whole forum, and in my opinion this has improved recently over compared to the last year.
In my experience, the For Sale section on Talk Audio works well, so here is their sticky:
CLASSIFIEDS RULES
Disclaimer
Users understand that Talk Audio and its hosts only act as the publisher of the classified service and will not be held liable for products offered or information displayed in the forum. All information displayed in the forum is the sole responsibility of the posting member. Caveat Emptor - Buyer beware!
Talk Audio may, at it's sole discretion, review, edit and/or remove any advert without the permission of the advert publisher.
If you have a problem with a transaction, we urge you to contact a Moderator before "going public" but please be aware that we do not offer any guarantees. Your use of TA's Classifieds is subject to your acceptance that Talk Audio is not liable for any losses you may suffer.
The Basics
- It's not in the spirit of TA's Classifieds to use them to make money. Of course, this is something that cannot be policed completely, but you can fully expect to be pulled up on it if you (ie) buy an item from eBay and then immediately try to sell it on TA for a profit. If you are felt to be abusing this free service, your access to TA's Classifieds will be revoked. Contact a Moderator if you are in doubt as to the meaning of the rules.
- Please post new ads with the subject line of: Brand - Model - Description e.g Pioneer DEHP80MP CD Player
- Your account is for your use only. Allowing other people to sell through your account means that you are responsible for the outcome. If they mess someone around, it's you that will lose your Classifieds access.
- You must state a price you will accept in your advert. You can state "ONO" or "close offers" etc if you wish, but just putting "best offer" will lead to your thread being locked or deleted. If you do not know what your item is worth, please ask in the Spam Filter forum, or look on eBay completed items. If you still can't find out what it's worth, then take a guess.
- Posting a very high (unrealistic) price and then "or offers" comes under the above. The Mods have a fair idea of what constitutes a reasonable price, and trying to get around the "no offers" rules by setting a stupid price then inviting offers is not likely to work.
- "PM for price" is no longer acceptable either. Decide what you will take for it and post it.
- An exception to the above is when you are conducting an auction via eBay or similar. As it is impossible to state a price for an auction, you are not required to do so. The intention of these rules is to make sure TA is not used as an auction service, so use eBay if that is the kind of sale you wish to conduct. You are free to link to your auctions in a for sale thread.
- Nothing illegal under UK law. If an item cannot legally be sold to people below a certain age, it is the seller's responsibility to verify the age of the buyer.
- No pornography.
- No subscription-based services etc. Stuff like web hosting falls into this category. The Classifieds is generally for the sale of "physical" items.
- No post wrecking:
If you don't like the price someone wants, move on.
If you're not interested, don't bother posting.
"That price is too high" comments will be deleted and warned
"I can get them on ebay for less" comments will be deleted and warned.
- No thread bumping by seller until the item is no longer on the first page of the forum or the thread has had no replies for at least 48 hours (whichever is sooner)
- No selling of items on behalf of banned forum members (permanently banned or otherwise). If you are banned, you have revoked your entitlement to use TA as a sales portal for the length of the ban.
- Please close the thread when the item is sold. Please do not re-use old threads when you have new items to sell, start a new one instead.
- Stay on topic - PM/Start a new thread within another section if you wish to discuss something non related to the sale with the seller.
- Sellers must guarantee that all products and equipment offered are real, descriptions and prices are accurate and include true to life photos as needed. Talk Audio and its hosts will not be liable for any information posted in the forum.
- Sellers are under no obligation to accept "dibs". Although it is expected that a seller will accept the first offer that meets their asking price, it is not a requirement for sellers to wait for people to see if they have the cash etc. For example - if A calls "first dibs" but does not make a firm offer, and B comes along offering to pay immediately, the seller is free to take B's confirmed offer. Of course, sellers can choose to honour "dibs" at their own discretion.
- Please note the "Trader Rating" feedback system under a users postcount, this acts as a user quality quideline and also links to comments from previous transactions (click the rating number). Remember to leave feedback for each other when a transaction is complete.
- For sellers that have only a few or zero feedback, it is vital that the buyer takes it upon him/herself to do some research regarding previous transactions if they exist, and with every sale ensure that appropriate insurance is agreed and paid for and also proof of postage is obtained for EVERY item, ideally recorded delivery, it's only a quid or so extra.
- The TA Classifieds is not an auction service. If you wish to hold an auction, please go to eBay - The UK's Online Marketplace
Group Buys
Group buys are allowed, subject to the following additional rules:
- Only a member with a positive Trader Rating of 3 or more can start a Group Buy thread.
- Group Buy threads should be posted in the For Sale forum, with "Group Buy: <description>" as their title.
- Trade-affiliated members cannot start Group Buy threads.
- Please contact a Mod/Admin if you would like to check if a Group Buy thread is ok.
Trade/Bulk Sales
- No dealers or wholesalers. This includes buying lots of one item from eBay or elsewhere to re-sell on TA.
- If you are in the car audio trade and have items to advertise, please contact an Administrator before posting the advert.
- Trade-connected users can sell items they own themselves. But please remember that TA is a free service and if you're felt to be using it to supplement your business, you will be warned and/or banned.
------------------------
The Talk Audio Moderation Team will enforce these rules, and take any necessary actions to enforce these guidelines. Violators of these rules will be removed from the Classifieds section and may be banned from the Talk Audio website.
If you have any questions, comments or concerns, feel free to contact any of the Moderation Team with a Private Message, we will try to answer you in a timely fashion.
So the first thing to be done to improve the For Sale experience is to build more community spirit in the whole forum, and in my opinion this has improved recently over compared to the last year.
In my experience, the For Sale section on Talk Audio works well, so here is their sticky:
CLASSIFIEDS RULES
Disclaimer
Users understand that Talk Audio and its hosts only act as the publisher of the classified service and will not be held liable for products offered or information displayed in the forum. All information displayed in the forum is the sole responsibility of the posting member. Caveat Emptor - Buyer beware!
Talk Audio may, at it's sole discretion, review, edit and/or remove any advert without the permission of the advert publisher.
If you have a problem with a transaction, we urge you to contact a Moderator before "going public" but please be aware that we do not offer any guarantees. Your use of TA's Classifieds is subject to your acceptance that Talk Audio is not liable for any losses you may suffer.
The Basics
- It's not in the spirit of TA's Classifieds to use them to make money. Of course, this is something that cannot be policed completely, but you can fully expect to be pulled up on it if you (ie) buy an item from eBay and then immediately try to sell it on TA for a profit. If you are felt to be abusing this free service, your access to TA's Classifieds will be revoked. Contact a Moderator if you are in doubt as to the meaning of the rules.
- Please post new ads with the subject line of: Brand - Model - Description e.g Pioneer DEHP80MP CD Player
- Your account is for your use only. Allowing other people to sell through your account means that you are responsible for the outcome. If they mess someone around, it's you that will lose your Classifieds access.
- You must state a price you will accept in your advert. You can state "ONO" or "close offers" etc if you wish, but just putting "best offer" will lead to your thread being locked or deleted. If you do not know what your item is worth, please ask in the Spam Filter forum, or look on eBay completed items. If you still can't find out what it's worth, then take a guess.
- Posting a very high (unrealistic) price and then "or offers" comes under the above. The Mods have a fair idea of what constitutes a reasonable price, and trying to get around the "no offers" rules by setting a stupid price then inviting offers is not likely to work.
- "PM for price" is no longer acceptable either. Decide what you will take for it and post it.
- An exception to the above is when you are conducting an auction via eBay or similar. As it is impossible to state a price for an auction, you are not required to do so. The intention of these rules is to make sure TA is not used as an auction service, so use eBay if that is the kind of sale you wish to conduct. You are free to link to your auctions in a for sale thread.
- Nothing illegal under UK law. If an item cannot legally be sold to people below a certain age, it is the seller's responsibility to verify the age of the buyer.
- No pornography.
- No subscription-based services etc. Stuff like web hosting falls into this category. The Classifieds is generally for the sale of "physical" items.
- No post wrecking:
If you don't like the price someone wants, move on.
If you're not interested, don't bother posting.
"That price is too high" comments will be deleted and warned
"I can get them on ebay for less" comments will be deleted and warned.
- No thread bumping by seller until the item is no longer on the first page of the forum or the thread has had no replies for at least 48 hours (whichever is sooner)
- No selling of items on behalf of banned forum members (permanently banned or otherwise). If you are banned, you have revoked your entitlement to use TA as a sales portal for the length of the ban.
- Please close the thread when the item is sold. Please do not re-use old threads when you have new items to sell, start a new one instead.
- Stay on topic - PM/Start a new thread within another section if you wish to discuss something non related to the sale with the seller.
- Sellers must guarantee that all products and equipment offered are real, descriptions and prices are accurate and include true to life photos as needed. Talk Audio and its hosts will not be liable for any information posted in the forum.
- Sellers are under no obligation to accept "dibs". Although it is expected that a seller will accept the first offer that meets their asking price, it is not a requirement for sellers to wait for people to see if they have the cash etc. For example - if A calls "first dibs" but does not make a firm offer, and B comes along offering to pay immediately, the seller is free to take B's confirmed offer. Of course, sellers can choose to honour "dibs" at their own discretion.
- Please note the "Trader Rating" feedback system under a users postcount, this acts as a user quality quideline and also links to comments from previous transactions (click the rating number). Remember to leave feedback for each other when a transaction is complete.
- For sellers that have only a few or zero feedback, it is vital that the buyer takes it upon him/herself to do some research regarding previous transactions if they exist, and with every sale ensure that appropriate insurance is agreed and paid for and also proof of postage is obtained for EVERY item, ideally recorded delivery, it's only a quid or so extra.
- The TA Classifieds is not an auction service. If you wish to hold an auction, please go to eBay - The UK's Online Marketplace
Group Buys
Group buys are allowed, subject to the following additional rules:
- Only a member with a positive Trader Rating of 3 or more can start a Group Buy thread.
- Group Buy threads should be posted in the For Sale forum, with "Group Buy: <description>" as their title.
- Trade-affiliated members cannot start Group Buy threads.
- Please contact a Mod/Admin if you would like to check if a Group Buy thread is ok.
Trade/Bulk Sales
- No dealers or wholesalers. This includes buying lots of one item from eBay or elsewhere to re-sell on TA.
- If you are in the car audio trade and have items to advertise, please contact an Administrator before posting the advert.
- Trade-connected users can sell items they own themselves. But please remember that TA is a free service and if you're felt to be using it to supplement your business, you will be warned and/or banned.
------------------------
The Talk Audio Moderation Team will enforce these rules, and take any necessary actions to enforce these guidelines. Violators of these rules will be removed from the Classifieds section and may be banned from the Talk Audio website.
If you have any questions, comments or concerns, feel free to contact any of the Moderation Team with a Private Message, we will try to answer you in a timely fashion.
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 11,778
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From: Newcastle. 330bhp-289lb/ft @ 1bar boost - 12.4s @ 105mph
The first thing to say is that in a lot of cases, a forum gets the 'For Sale' section it deserves - so if it has a lot of members who aren't community spirited, you will probably have problems in a lot of the sections. When a forum doesn't have/loses that spirit, you tend to see more problem sales. I would say that for that reason trader rating aren't that useful - but searching on a sellers other threads is, this gives you a good idea what the person is like.
So the first thing to be done to improve the For Sale experience is to build more community spirit in the whole forum, and in my opinion this has improved recently over compared to the last year.
In my experience, the For Sale section on Talk Audio works well, so here is their sticky:
CLASSIFIEDS RULES
Disclaimer
Users understand that Talk Audio and its hosts only act as the publisher of the classified service and will not be held liable for products offered or information displayed in the forum. All information displayed in the forum is the sole responsibility of the posting member. Caveat Emptor - Buyer beware!
Talk Audio may, at it's sole discretion, review, edit and/or remove any advert without the permission of the advert publisher.
If you have a problem with a transaction, we urge you to contact a Moderator before "going public" but please be aware that we do not offer any guarantees. Your use of TA's Classifieds is subject to your acceptance that Talk Audio is not liable for any losses you may suffer.
The Basics
- It's not in the spirit of TA's Classifieds to use them to make money. Of course, this is something that cannot be policed completely, but you can fully expect to be pulled up on it if you (ie) buy an item from eBay and then immediately try to sell it on TA for a profit. If you are felt to be abusing this free service, your access to TA's Classifieds will be revoked. Contact a Moderator if you are in doubt as to the meaning of the rules.
- Please post new ads with the subject line of: Brand - Model - Description e.g Pioneer DEHP80MP CD Player
- Your account is for your use only. Allowing other people to sell through your account means that you are responsible for the outcome. If they mess someone around, it's you that will lose your Classifieds access.
- You must state a price you will accept in your advert. You can state "ONO" or "close offers" etc if you wish, but just putting "best offer" will lead to your thread being locked or deleted. If you do not know what your item is worth, please ask in the Spam Filter forum, or look on eBay completed items. If you still can't find out what it's worth, then take a guess.
- Posting a very high (unrealistic) price and then "or offers" comes under the above. The Mods have a fair idea of what constitutes a reasonable price, and trying to get around the "no offers" rules by setting a stupid price then inviting offers is not likely to work.
- "PM for price" is no longer acceptable either. Decide what you will take for it and post it.
- An exception to the above is when you are conducting an auction via eBay or similar. As it is impossible to state a price for an auction, you are not required to do so. The intention of these rules is to make sure TA is not used as an auction service, so use eBay if that is the kind of sale you wish to conduct. You are free to link to your auctions in a for sale thread.
- Nothing illegal under UK law. If an item cannot legally be sold to people below a certain age, it is the seller's responsibility to verify the age of the buyer.
- No pornography.
- No subscription-based services etc. Stuff like web hosting falls into this category. The Classifieds is generally for the sale of "physical" items.
- No post wrecking:
If you don't like the price someone wants, move on.
If you're not interested, don't bother posting.
"That price is too high" comments will be deleted and warned
"I can get them on ebay for less" comments will be deleted and warned.
- No thread bumping by seller until the item is no longer on the first page of the forum or the thread has had no replies for at least 48 hours (whichever is sooner)
- No selling of items on behalf of banned forum members (permanently banned or otherwise). If you are banned, you have revoked your entitlement to use TA as a sales portal for the length of the ban.
- Please close the thread when the item is sold. Please do not re-use old threads when you have new items to sell, start a new one instead.
- Stay on topic - PM/Start a new thread within another section if you wish to discuss something non related to the sale with the seller.
- Sellers must guarantee that all products and equipment offered are real, descriptions and prices are accurate and include true to life photos as needed. Talk Audio and its hosts will not be liable for any information posted in the forum.
- Sellers are under no obligation to accept "dibs". Although it is expected that a seller will accept the first offer that meets their asking price, it is not a requirement for sellers to wait for people to see if they have the cash etc. For example - if A calls "first dibs" but does not make a firm offer, and B comes along offering to pay immediately, the seller is free to take B's confirmed offer. Of course, sellers can choose to honour "dibs" at their own discretion.
- Please note the "Trader Rating" feedback system under a users postcount, this acts as a user quality quideline and also links to comments from previous transactions (click the rating number). Remember to leave feedback for each other when a transaction is complete.
- For sellers that have only a few or zero feedback, it is vital that the buyer takes it upon him/herself to do some research regarding previous transactions if they exist, and with every sale ensure that appropriate insurance is agreed and paid for and also proof of postage is obtained for EVERY item, ideally recorded delivery, it's only a quid or so extra.
- The TA Classifieds is not an auction service. If you wish to hold an auction, please go to eBay - The UK's Online Marketplace
Group Buys
Group buys are allowed, subject to the following additional rules:
- Only a member with a positive Trader Rating of 3 or more can start a Group Buy thread.
- Group Buy threads should be posted in the For Sale forum, with "Group Buy: <description>" as their title.
- Trade-affiliated members cannot start Group Buy threads.
- Please contact a Mod/Admin if you would like to check if a Group Buy thread is ok.
Trade/Bulk Sales
- No dealers or wholesalers. This includes buying lots of one item from eBay or elsewhere to re-sell on TA.
- If you are in the car audio trade and have items to advertise, please contact an Administrator before posting the advert.
- Trade-connected users can sell items they own themselves. But please remember that TA is a free service and if you're felt to be using it to supplement your business, you will be warned and/or banned.
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The Talk Audio Moderation Team will enforce these rules, and take any necessary actions to enforce these guidelines. Violators of these rules will be removed from the Classifieds section and may be banned from the Talk Audio website.
If you have any questions, comments or concerns, feel free to contact any of the Moderation Team with a Private Message, we will try to answer you in a timely fashion.
So the first thing to be done to improve the For Sale experience is to build more community spirit in the whole forum, and in my opinion this has improved recently over compared to the last year.
In my experience, the For Sale section on Talk Audio works well, so here is their sticky:
CLASSIFIEDS RULES
Disclaimer
Users understand that Talk Audio and its hosts only act as the publisher of the classified service and will not be held liable for products offered or information displayed in the forum. All information displayed in the forum is the sole responsibility of the posting member. Caveat Emptor - Buyer beware!
Talk Audio may, at it's sole discretion, review, edit and/or remove any advert without the permission of the advert publisher.
If you have a problem with a transaction, we urge you to contact a Moderator before "going public" but please be aware that we do not offer any guarantees. Your use of TA's Classifieds is subject to your acceptance that Talk Audio is not liable for any losses you may suffer.
The Basics
- It's not in the spirit of TA's Classifieds to use them to make money. Of course, this is something that cannot be policed completely, but you can fully expect to be pulled up on it if you (ie) buy an item from eBay and then immediately try to sell it on TA for a profit. If you are felt to be abusing this free service, your access to TA's Classifieds will be revoked. Contact a Moderator if you are in doubt as to the meaning of the rules.
- Please post new ads with the subject line of: Brand - Model - Description e.g Pioneer DEHP80MP CD Player
- Your account is for your use only. Allowing other people to sell through your account means that you are responsible for the outcome. If they mess someone around, it's you that will lose your Classifieds access.
- You must state a price you will accept in your advert. You can state "ONO" or "close offers" etc if you wish, but just putting "best offer" will lead to your thread being locked or deleted. If you do not know what your item is worth, please ask in the Spam Filter forum, or look on eBay completed items. If you still can't find out what it's worth, then take a guess.
- Posting a very high (unrealistic) price and then "or offers" comes under the above. The Mods have a fair idea of what constitutes a reasonable price, and trying to get around the "no offers" rules by setting a stupid price then inviting offers is not likely to work.
- "PM for price" is no longer acceptable either. Decide what you will take for it and post it.
- An exception to the above is when you are conducting an auction via eBay or similar. As it is impossible to state a price for an auction, you are not required to do so. The intention of these rules is to make sure TA is not used as an auction service, so use eBay if that is the kind of sale you wish to conduct. You are free to link to your auctions in a for sale thread.
- Nothing illegal under UK law. If an item cannot legally be sold to people below a certain age, it is the seller's responsibility to verify the age of the buyer.
- No pornography.
- No subscription-based services etc. Stuff like web hosting falls into this category. The Classifieds is generally for the sale of "physical" items.
- No post wrecking:
If you don't like the price someone wants, move on.
If you're not interested, don't bother posting.
"That price is too high" comments will be deleted and warned
"I can get them on ebay for less" comments will be deleted and warned.
- No thread bumping by seller until the item is no longer on the first page of the forum or the thread has had no replies for at least 48 hours (whichever is sooner)
- No selling of items on behalf of banned forum members (permanently banned or otherwise). If you are banned, you have revoked your entitlement to use TA as a sales portal for the length of the ban.
- Please close the thread when the item is sold. Please do not re-use old threads when you have new items to sell, start a new one instead.
- Stay on topic - PM/Start a new thread within another section if you wish to discuss something non related to the sale with the seller.
- Sellers must guarantee that all products and equipment offered are real, descriptions and prices are accurate and include true to life photos as needed. Talk Audio and its hosts will not be liable for any information posted in the forum.
- Sellers are under no obligation to accept "dibs". Although it is expected that a seller will accept the first offer that meets their asking price, it is not a requirement for sellers to wait for people to see if they have the cash etc. For example - if A calls "first dibs" but does not make a firm offer, and B comes along offering to pay immediately, the seller is free to take B's confirmed offer. Of course, sellers can choose to honour "dibs" at their own discretion.
- Please note the "Trader Rating" feedback system under a users postcount, this acts as a user quality quideline and also links to comments from previous transactions (click the rating number). Remember to leave feedback for each other when a transaction is complete.
- For sellers that have only a few or zero feedback, it is vital that the buyer takes it upon him/herself to do some research regarding previous transactions if they exist, and with every sale ensure that appropriate insurance is agreed and paid for and also proof of postage is obtained for EVERY item, ideally recorded delivery, it's only a quid or so extra.
- The TA Classifieds is not an auction service. If you wish to hold an auction, please go to eBay - The UK's Online Marketplace
Group Buys
Group buys are allowed, subject to the following additional rules:
- Only a member with a positive Trader Rating of 3 or more can start a Group Buy thread.
- Group Buy threads should be posted in the For Sale forum, with "Group Buy: <description>" as their title.
- Trade-affiliated members cannot start Group Buy threads.
- Please contact a Mod/Admin if you would like to check if a Group Buy thread is ok.
Trade/Bulk Sales
- No dealers or wholesalers. This includes buying lots of one item from eBay or elsewhere to re-sell on TA.
- If you are in the car audio trade and have items to advertise, please contact an Administrator before posting the advert.
- Trade-connected users can sell items they own themselves. But please remember that TA is a free service and if you're felt to be using it to supplement your business, you will be warned and/or banned.
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The Talk Audio Moderation Team will enforce these rules, and take any necessary actions to enforce these guidelines. Violators of these rules will be removed from the Classifieds section and may be banned from the Talk Audio website.
If you have any questions, comments or concerns, feel free to contact any of the Moderation Team with a Private Message, we will try to answer you in a timely fashion.
If they have not, then tough. They get lumped in with the dodgy lot
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IGnore me.
I mentioned my feelings on this on the banning thread.
I would like to see a registration process through the admin of the BB before anyone can sell anything. The number of posts etc means nothing. I was scammed out of £280 by "paintshopgaz" for the sale of a gearbox which he never sent. He had a high post count and that didnt help me
A registration process where sellers have to provide an address, telephone number and an email account would help solve most of the issues. The determined scammer will always find a way but this would be a good place to start.
I also suggested a form of feedback rating, as has been previously mentioned, where a numerical value is placed on the seller for each sale either positive or negative so that people can make an informed decsision on whetehr to buy from or sell to an an individual.
Cant see why there would be a need to have a price on everything as surely "offers" is a normal way of trading?
I would like to see a registration process through the admin of the BB before anyone can sell anything. The number of posts etc means nothing. I was scammed out of £280 by "paintshopgaz" for the sale of a gearbox which he never sent. He had a high post count and that didnt help me
A registration process where sellers have to provide an address, telephone number and an email account would help solve most of the issues. The determined scammer will always find a way but this would be a good place to start.
I also suggested a form of feedback rating, as has been previously mentioned, where a numerical value is placed on the seller for each sale either positive or negative so that people can make an informed decsision on whetehr to buy from or sell to an an individual.
Cant see why there would be a need to have a price on everything as surely "offers" is a normal way of trading?
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