Hi Chaps,

Im after some advice from those experianced.

I am contemplating a return to subaru ownership, however my overriding memory of my old classic was its ability to understeer at any given moment. I think perhaps the diff's were not set up well enough. Especially on slow tight wet corners. It was somewhat unpredictable.

I went RWD and i love it, but i want another scooby with some serious power.

So how does the newage handle vs the classic.
DCCD
neetronics DCCD?

Basically im after something like a gtr skyline / R8 type of AWD rather than the subaru type. Any serious transmission solutions out there?

Im guessing the a looser center diff controlled by DCCD would reduce understeer and predicability significantly, and also once the rear is slipping allow it to be steered more from the rear.

Would love to hear some real world experiances.

Ta
Chris

 

22mm rear anti roll bar on a classic and 24mm on newage will get rid of that understeer issue uve been experiencing.. did you do any handling mods when you had it?

 

I did alk and bc coilovers with track spring rates, corner weighted and agressive fast road setup.

When you really rough handled it it was great. Just chuck it into the corner. No finess required. Can this be adjust to have more driver involvement. Or am i barknig up the wrong tree with the subaru?

 

Really, the understeer is a non-issue. It is how the car is factory set-up, which is for safety sake. This is easily dialled out with arb stiffening.

Classic will feel lighter and more nimble. New Age will feel heavier, stiffer, more refined. Both sublime of course

I like both but prefer the classic

 

I've got a blob wrx and found it did understeer when I 1st bought it. I've since fitted a 24mm rear arb and prodrive springs and it handles alot better, although that may be down to the fact that I've got used to the way the car drives aswell.

 

So does the arb really make that much difference with the handling? Anyone messed with the diffs? Want to be able to steer the rear with power really.

 

dont mess with diffs, go for a 24mm rear on newage on hard setting or 22mm whiteline rear arb on hard setting with standard front anti roll bar, sounds like you like driving like me.. more feel from the rear..

rear anti roll bad is the best handling mod pound for pound on an impreza

 

Then why not buy a GTR??

 

I have a longtime fixaction with the classic scoob that the GTR just doesnt match.

 

rear anti roll bar hard setting u'll be fine. other than that, convert the scoob to rear wheel drive

 

Cool. Building a rather extensive parts list now. Hopefully someone will sell something with all this completed already.

 

not sure if anyones mentioned it yet, change the roll bar

 

Any comments on dccd vs non dccd, vs neetronics dccd?

 

You have been given good advice, a stiffer rear anti-roll bar puts the car more in balance and allows the front tyres to bite better into the road.

Standard cars are nearly always setup with a degree of understeer as it is easier to control by an inexperienced driver than oversteer.

Some will laugh at this, but an excellent website that explains suspension and what it does is http://users.telenet.be/elvo/ (it was for RC cars but the principles are identical, just you have less adjustments on a road car).

 

Turn harder into corners....

 

Sorry for my ignorance, but what is the difference between a classic
and a newage ??.I am presuming the age of the car ?. So what year
do the classic finish and newage start.
Cheers

 

2000+? i think anyway

 

Buy a classic wagon half strip it, roll bars, links uprated mounts...It WILL oversteer !

No rear weight makes for a fun drive

 

im afraid my old classic was partially stripped and id didnt find it was very rewarding to drive. It was fun sure because it was ballistic. But you just throw it into everything without really needing any skill.

Surtees at brands indy is a great example of just lob the car in and hang on lol. Was fun but not skillful. Nothing like hanging the rear out after an overtake. Perhaps i could retain this simply pleasure with some uprated arbs eh.

You guys track much? Any scoob i buy will basically live at the track and the odd weekend blast. How do you guys find your scoobs on the track?

 

I think OP is trying to get an idea of DCCD Classic VS NON DCCD Classic, so answers on a postcard (option 1). Option 2 for those that have experience of DCCD on both Classic & Newage how do they compare?

My own experience DCCD was a gimmic, good if you needed to lock your diff up on the loose stuff (snow gravel ect) but other than that pretty pointless.

Anyone with any track experience of DCCD vs non DCCD?

 

What do you want then ?

 

i remember a best motoring episode where they used a custom cusco lsd setup (i think it was) with positive effects. More so than the equiv classic on coilies and arbs.

 

not using it properly then; makes the car way more fun to drive but you can go all sensible if you are not in the mood. IMO anyway

 

300 bhp type r on standard rims and remove the rear anti roll bar.

 

2002 STI - bog standard, understeer and a bit too soft on track...

2002+10 STI - ALK, DCCD, Neetronics, Teins, ARB's, ace ! It only took me a decade to sort it LOL

It is superb fun, DCCD also applies greater retarding torque to the rear wheels, so chuck it into a roundabout and then lift-off, and re-apply the power and round she goes.
Even an old duffer like me can manage that...

dunx

So ARB's + DCCD = YES !

 

I had a 24mm rear bar on my STI RA great fun when in open diff, as my Mrs found out whilst she was driving on a trackday...

 

Thanks Dunx.

Perhaps ill go for it tho.

Tell me, when your powering out of a corner on track, what does the car naturally want to do? My previous scoob preference was understeer, m3 is oversteer. What about yours now?

 

My bug STi wagon is impossible to understeer, it has a little lift-off oversteer, but that's only because, like we keep saying, of the way the arb's have been set. It oversteered fantastically with too much front stiffening. My Type R is neutral, with no rotation

 

Weird, that is the opposite of what should've happened

 

STi pink rear lateral links