Opinion: Spec C, WR1, FQ340 OR Modify!
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Opinion: Spec C, WR1, FQ340 OR Modify!
If anyone has experience of all of the above then for pure satisfaction what did you think gives the best?
I have driven a WR1 & FQ340 and niether experience made me want to sign on the dotted line (the cost/benefit was not really there) ... no chance of bagging a go in a Spec C sometime soon. I really wanted to like the FQ340 (and prior to the test drive I managed to convince the missus that the 3 kids would comfortably fit in the back) but my expectations were clearly too high! A short time with these cars is not enough to really tell so basically I am open to some opinion on this specific matter from those that have tried/had them for longer .... particularily if you were disappointed and why.
I have an STi5 with whiteline ARB/Links, 18" wheels with 215/35 tyres, Godspeed 335mm disc & brembo calipers so the handling & braking improvement is significant IMHO. My thinking is that if I further budget half the depreciation over 3 years of the FQ (say 7K) for mods to my car then how far can I push the envelope? Can I get mine to outhandle and clearly outdrag the evo for 7k (the evo was quicker but not significantly IMHO)? Are the new cars that much further along that modding can't really make up on the overall packages that these cars offer?
(Ariel Atom Type R anyone?
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I have driven a WR1 & FQ340 and niether experience made me want to sign on the dotted line (the cost/benefit was not really there) ... no chance of bagging a go in a Spec C sometime soon. I really wanted to like the FQ340 (and prior to the test drive I managed to convince the missus that the 3 kids would comfortably fit in the back) but my expectations were clearly too high! A short time with these cars is not enough to really tell so basically I am open to some opinion on this specific matter from those that have tried/had them for longer .... particularily if you were disappointed and why.
I have an STi5 with whiteline ARB/Links, 18" wheels with 215/35 tyres, Godspeed 335mm disc & brembo calipers so the handling & braking improvement is significant IMHO. My thinking is that if I further budget half the depreciation over 3 years of the FQ (say 7K) for mods to my car then how far can I push the envelope? Can I get mine to outhandle and clearly outdrag the evo for 7k (the evo was quicker but not significantly IMHO)? Are the new cars that much further along that modding can't really make up on the overall packages that these cars offer?
(Ariel Atom Type R anyone?
)
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The Spec C may be a bit too harsh for you, try the JDM STi instead, better in alot of ways over anything we get over here, out of the box they will push 300bhp and remapped will run 350bhp all day (with 380+lbs of torque).
Only go for the WR1 if you want a warranty, though a good car, its not a patch on a JDM STi, and the evo.... well, bland comes to mind, need i say more?
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Only go for the WR1 if you want a warranty, though a good car, its not a patch on a JDM STi, and the evo.... well, bland comes to mind, need i say more?
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After my ride in a Spec C 2 days ago i'd go Spec C all the way.
The MY05 Nurburgring edition
Made my mate's modded bugeye STi feel like a ford mondeo after being in that thing! And it was pretty much standard (just a backbox!)
The MY05 Nurburgring edition
Made my mate's modded bugeye STi feel like a ford mondeo after being in that thing! And it was pretty much standard (just a backbox!)
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Never driven a WR1 but I have driven a PPP UK STi 8, JDM STi 9, FQ-340 and eventually put my money on a Spec C. Bought a WR Limited to get just that extra bit of comfort (central locking and aircon) at the expense of a bit of the weight saving (still 60 kgs lighter than standard) and use it as my daily driver ... don't find it harsh at all.
The handling of the STi 8 UK car really put me off (although I understand this can be fixed with handling kits ... I don't like the idea of having to modify just to make a car driveable). Thought the 340 was excellent but just not for me ... bit twitchy, bit clinical, bit expensive (although looking better now with free servicing). I liked the JDM STi as much as the 340 even though it was technically 'inferior' (bit heavier, bit down on power and torque) ... suited my driving style and brand loyalty I guess. But the Spec C is fantastic ... I love it.
The handling of the STi 8 UK car really put me off (although I understand this can be fixed with handling kits ... I don't like the idea of having to modify just to make a car driveable). Thought the 340 was excellent but just not for me ... bit twitchy, bit clinical, bit expensive (although looking better now with free servicing). I liked the JDM STi as much as the 340 even though it was technically 'inferior' (bit heavier, bit down on power and torque) ... suited my driving style and brand loyalty I guess. But the Spec C is fantastic ... I love it.
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MR320 is preferable to the 340 for at least two reasons, price and tunability.
I'd take the Evo, but then I would say that
Would love a drive in a Spec-C though, with an open mind, just for comparison.
Would have to say that the WR1 wouldn't even be in the running. Not bashing it, just never really taken to it personally.
Funny you should mention the Atom, 'cos it's on my 'next car' shortlist...
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I'd take the Evo, but then I would say that
Would love a drive in a Spec-C though, with an open mind, just for comparison.
Would have to say that the WR1 wouldn't even be in the running. Not bashing it, just never really taken to it personally.
Funny you should mention the Atom, 'cos it's on my 'next car' shortlist...
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Guys,
You have to remember that this is going to be a family car as well as a toy
so id rule out the Spec C, for a few reasons, and having owned one for 15 months here is the reason id go for the standard STI over the C.
1. the C has 10% harder springs than the standard STi, compromising comfort (have you tried changing channels on the radio?)
2. You get ALL the goodies on the normal JDM STi.
3. Just watch that boot get ripped to peices as there isnt any boot lining in there
4. No soundproofing, good if you dont want to listen to the missus
5. Not really a car you can do great distances in (though having driven leaf springed landrovers anything feels comfortable after that)
6. No differences in the engine except the rollerbearing turbo and oil cooler over the standard JDM STi
7. Insurance..... your very limited to who you can cover with, you mention the words "Spec C" and they say "its not on our database" no matter how much you try they wont touch it, though no problems with a normal JDM STi.
8. The JDM STi makes a better family car, both better than the evo as you can tune the nuts off them quite nicely and better than the WR1 as you get more goodies like quick rack steering (if the car has the drivers pack).
So, 11k miles of Spec C driving (second car btw!) speaks, and its not a family car, not even the limited.
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You have to remember that this is going to be a family car as well as a toy
so id rule out the Spec C, for a few reasons, and having owned one for 15 months here is the reason id go for the standard STI over the C.1. the C has 10% harder springs than the standard STi, compromising comfort (have you tried changing channels on the radio?
)2. You get ALL the goodies on the normal JDM STi.
3. Just watch that boot get ripped to peices as there isnt any boot lining in there
4. No soundproofing, good if you dont want to listen to the missus
5. Not really a car you can do great distances in (though having driven leaf springed landrovers anything feels comfortable after that)
6. No differences in the engine except the rollerbearing turbo and oil cooler over the standard JDM STi
7. Insurance..... your very limited to who you can cover with, you mention the words "Spec C" and they say "its not on our database" no matter how much you try they wont touch it, though no problems with a normal JDM STi.
8. The JDM STi makes a better family car, both better than the evo as you can tune the nuts off them quite nicely
and better than the WR1 as you get more goodies like quick rack steering (if the car has the drivers pack).So, 11k miles of Spec C driving (second car btw!) speaks, and its not a family car, not even the limited.
Tony
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Just to add to Tony's comments:
- even the standard JDM STI comes with rock hard suspension. I had Eibachs fitted from new on mine to soften the ride, then junked even those after a few months and went for a fully adjustable setup.
- The '05 JDM STI comes with the same extended wheelbase and suspension geometry as the Spec C, so whatever you've read about how the Spec C handles now applies to the standard STI too (with due allowance for a bit of extra weight, though)
- the quick steering rack is standard on the JDM car (at least for '05)
- the 'biggie' for me was the twin-scroll turbo engine. It offers fabulous torque from low down even with the standard (quiet) exhaust. Swap the exhaust and you're easily looking at WR1 power.
- even the standard JDM STI comes with rock hard suspension. I had Eibachs fitted from new on mine to soften the ride, then junked even those after a few months and went for a fully adjustable setup.
- The '05 JDM STI comes with the same extended wheelbase and suspension geometry as the Spec C, so whatever you've read about how the Spec C handles now applies to the standard STI too (with due allowance for a bit of extra weight, though)
- the quick steering rack is standard on the JDM car (at least for '05)
- the 'biggie' for me was the twin-scroll turbo engine. It offers fabulous torque from low down even with the standard (quiet) exhaust. Swap the exhaust and you're easily looking at WR1 power.
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MR320 is preferable to the 340 for at least two reasons, price and tunability.
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
So, 11k miles of Spec C driving (second car btw!) speaks, and its not a family car, not even the limited.
Tony
I've only had it for 4 months and 3000 miles but we've done a few long trips in it, can't see any reason to change for a good few years yet.
True that the JDM STi is as good in many areas and not far off in others. But, if you really like the Spec C, I think a limited can work as a family car ...
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Originally Posted by rizzy
will run 350bhp all day (with 380+lbs of torque).
blimey where do i take my car to get a remap then?
blimey where do i take my car to get a remap then?
Bob Rawle can sort you out.
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Originally Posted by spec-cie
Mine is a family car, in fact the only car we own, and my wife and son both love it. I had to buy the limited because the missus insisted on air con (okay, so I wasn't that hard to persude) but insurance wasn't a problem as Norwich Union insure it as a JDM STi.
I've only had it for 4 months and 3000 miles but we've done a few long trips in it, can't see any reason to change for a good few years yet.
True that the JDM STi is as good in many areas and not far off in others. But, if you really like the Spec C, I think a limited can work as a family car ...
I've only had it for 4 months and 3000 miles but we've done a few long trips in it, can't see any reason to change for a good few years yet.
True that the JDM STi is as good in many areas and not far off in others. But, if you really like the Spec C, I think a limited can work as a family car ...
post a pic mate...
plus was was the insurance cost! IYDMA
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Originally Posted by spec-cie
but insurance wasn't a problem as Norwich Union insure it as a JDM STi.
Yes it is a JDM STi, but its not THE JDM STi that they have down on their books, you have to tell them that its a lightweight version, which then totally baffles them, then they say that they cannot insure it.
L&V who do mine went back to the underwriters after id explained everything about the car, they were then happy, added the oil cooler down as an engine mod and insured me.
If your not precise in your description, it can invalidate your insurance as the JDM STi and Spec C are 2 different models.
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Originally Posted by rizzy
currently got a wr1 and had a fq340 which i think was better for handling,but for looks there is no car that looks as good as the wr1.
Most are from Italy though...
If you said there is no Jap car that looks as good as the WR1... then thats a different story
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Ta for the commets ...
I am currently thinking that a personal import spec-c is the way to go. That way I can let the missus keep the 7 seat MPV justified by the money NOT spent on the FQ340 (approx 8K) (Oh dear the money not spent argument - I'll be crucified come the next high street sales!) For the rare long trip the Spec-C will do methinks.
One question though: will a spec-C be noticibly quicker than a stock STi5? Cos if not then that'll have to be mapped asap! My mates WR1 can eek out a lead but nothing spectacular.
I am currently thinking that a personal import spec-c is the way to go. That way I can let the missus keep the 7 seat MPV justified by the money NOT spent on the FQ340 (approx 8K)
(Oh dear the money not spent argument - I'll be crucified come the next high street sales!) For the rare long trip the Spec-C will do methinks.One question though: will a spec-C be noticibly quicker than a stock STi5? Cos if not then that'll have to be mapped asap! My mates WR1 can eek out a lead but nothing spectacular.
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
Ah, well this is where it gets complicated lol!
Yes it is a JDM STi, but its not THE JDM STi that they have down on their books, you have to tell them that its a lightweight version, which then totally baffles them, then they say that they cannot insure it.
L&V who do mine went back to the underwriters after id explained everything about the car, they were then happy, added the oil cooler down as an engine mod and insured me.
If your not precise in your description, it can invalidate your insurance as the JDM STi and Spec C are 2 different models.
Tony
Yes it is a JDM STi, but its not THE JDM STi that they have down on their books, you have to tell them that its a lightweight version, which then totally baffles them, then they say that they cannot insure it.
L&V who do mine went back to the underwriters after id explained everything about the car, they were then happy, added the oil cooler down as an engine mod and insured me.
If your not precise in your description, it can invalidate your insurance as the JDM STi and Spec C are 2 different models.
Tony
Dazza, paid £820 including European cover (handy for my trip to the 'Ring next month
). Very pleased as I paid £750 for my UK Turbo PPP the year before. You can find a couple of pics at http://www.dyson.force9.co.uk/spec_c.html and I'm hoping to take some more soon now that the sun finally seems to be appearing on a semi-regular basis ...
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Originally Posted by GimmeMore
Ta for the commets ...
I am currently thinking that a personal import spec-c is the way to go. That way I can let the missus keep the 7 seat MPV justified by the money NOT spent on the FQ340 (approx 8K) (Oh dear the money not spent argument - I'll be crucified come the next high street sales!) For the rare long trip the Spec-C will do methinks.
One question though: will a spec-C be noticibly quicker than a stock STi5? Cos if not then that'll have to be mapped asap! My mates WR1 can eek out a lead but nothing spectacular.
I am currently thinking that a personal import spec-c is the way to go. That way I can let the missus keep the 7 seat MPV justified by the money NOT spent on the FQ340 (approx 8K)
(Oh dear the money not spent argument - I'll be crucified come the next high street sales!) For the rare long trip the Spec-C will do methinks.One question though: will a spec-C be noticibly quicker than a stock STi5? Cos if not then that'll have to be mapped asap! My mates WR1 can eek out a lead but nothing spectacular.
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Originally Posted by spec-cie
There's only really one way to find out. Are you in the Essex/Suffolk area?
The FQ340 was offered to me with 2K discount & free servicing so it was tempting - for a bit.
Thanks for the offer to compare
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go to http://www.rcdevelopments.com/ and have a read about their findings on the FQ340, quite alarming really
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Originally Posted by rizzy
ive heard alot about the channel islands i dont get it tho how does it all work,and i thought the ships only dock at liverpool irland or southampton
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No VAT (yet ...... but 'sales tax' on the way!) as Jersey is not in the EEC ... it all stems back to the time when William the conquerer bested the english with the help of channel island mercenaries The rest is history ...
All is not well though as we have no fast sweeping roads to play on with our scoobs either! Just a load of twisties with a 40 mph limit .... but we make do.
Pay the 10% duty at Southampton and 'export' the car personally to Jersey via Weymouth, Poole or Portsmouth like I did with the STi5 I have now - I drove for 2 days without number plates in the UK and only got stopped twice Of course I had the appropriate paperwork.
The rest is history ...All is not well though as we have no fast sweeping roads to play on with our scoobs either! Just a load of twisties with a 40 mph limit .... but we make do.
and i thought the ships only dock at liverpool irland or southampton
Of course I had the appropriate paperwork.
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Originally Posted by GimmeMore
No VAT (yet ...... but 'sales tax' on the way!) as Jersey is not in the EEC ... it all stems back to the time when William the conquerer bested the english with the help of channel island mercenaries The rest is history ...
All is not well though as we have no fast sweeping roads to play on with our scoobs either! Just a load of twisties with a 40 mph limit .... but we make do.
Pay the 10% duty at Southampton and 'export' the car personally to Jersey via Weymouth, Poole or Portsmouth like I did with the STi5 I have now - I drove for 2 days without number plates in the UK and only got stopped twice Of course I had the appropriate paperwork.
The rest is history ...All is not well though as we have no fast sweeping roads to play on with our scoobs either! Just a load of twisties with a 40 mph limit .... but we make do.
Pay the 10% duty at Southampton and 'export' the car personally to Jersey via Weymouth, Poole or Portsmouth like I did with the STi5 I have now - I drove for 2 days without number plates in the UK and only got stopped twice
Of course I had the appropriate paperwork. or at your house lolz,i'll slide you abit of cash that i save?