Mine judders in 1st and 2nd when cold - just for the first coupla miles. Also, occasionally, the pedal gets really heavy - like a pressure relief valve in the clutch hydraulics aint working properly.

I mentioned these faults at the 7,500 service and the garage greased the pedal but it didn't fix either fault.

I will be more insistent at upcomin 15,000 miler.

JD (MY00 DBM 13,000 miles)

 

My MY00 started juddering at 9,000 miles. I'm now up to 14,600 and the car is booked in for its 2nd service. I spoke to the dealer and they want to examine the clutch to make sure that it isn't wear & tear before replacing the clutch & flywheel under warranty. Apparently, it has to be OK'd by Subaru first.

Not sure about other places, but my dealer wants the car for two days, so find out before you try to get yours done under warranty!

 

I too own an MY00 and have hardly any clutch judder. I put this down to employing a trick I read on this BBS of holding it on the handrake and releasing the clutch for 3 to 4 seconds for a couple of times. If I have some judder in a morning I make a point of doing this as I put it away in the garage that night. Next morning - no judder. I find it only needs it once a month'ish which will not shorten the life of the clutch significantly.

A word of warning with this though is that I think this works for me because I was on the case from new as soon as it developed. If you have an established bad case of judder it may not make any difference.

Otis.

 

I know this has been covered before and I've already done a search and read some of the older posts. But...

My UK Turbo was bought new on 1st March. It has now done approx 6000 miles. I've noticed an increasing amount of clutch judder when the car is cold. It only happens on the first two or three gear changes. It used to happen every now and again, but now it is happening nearly every time.

My daily commute is a round trip of about 50 miles, through the normal heavy traffic, but the car also gets a fair amount of blasts as well

So my question is: Do you own an MY00 Turbo - have you had similar problems? I've heard that it can be replaced with a 'softer' clutch - anyone had this done? I'm going to mention this at the 7500 mile service - is it worth going for a warranty replacement?

Thanks for your help

Chris

 

My MY00 has done 6000 miles too - so far no judder.

In for a service tomorrow - will ask them for you.

Rich.

 

Thanks Rich - much appreciated

 

I too own a MY00 turbo and after 2000 Miles I thought I had clutch judder. This wasn't helped as just before it happened I had been showing someone the cars performance and had managed to fluff a gear change so I started to panic and thought I had stuffed the clutch/transmission (as you do when the car is brand new!!).

when I got into the car the next day as I released the clutch to pull away I could feel a juddering/pulsing through the clutch pedal. This would not occur all the time and tended to be worse first thing in the morning. After a bit of investigation (and paranoid panic) I discovered that it was in fact caused by the clutch mechanism inside the car (up under the dash) not being properly lubricated. As I lifted up the clutch the mechanism for the pedal was a little stiff and would stick slightly, hence the juddering through the pedal. A quick spray of WD40 helped this although the clutch still feels tighter some days than on others.

Definitely worth investigating this first before your local dealer decides the clutch needs deglazing!! This basically involves one of there mechanics doing several full bore 6000RPM starts to try and clean the surface of the clutch.

 

MY00 - 11000 miles - clutch judder when cold for first 2/3 gear changes just like you. My MY99 did this as did my MY97. A temporary cure is to give the car a seriously quick take off from standing still. I don't mean 7000rpm and dump the clutch, but give it a smooth quick launch - seems to clear the problem for a few weeks at least.

Hope this helps,

tiggers

 

Thanks for your posts so far. I'll try a couple of full bore starts to see if this helps. I'll let you know how I get on

 

Chris,

A friend had his clutch replaced under warranty at his local dealer. They said it was discretionary, but would replace it FOC due to the fact he bought the car from them.
If you've imported, it's likely to be a different story unfortunately.

 

Otis

Thanks.
My MY00 is about 3300 miles old. No clutch judder as yet, but I'll try your handbrake trick, (or maybe a few full bore starts ) if Uncle Scooby gets the judders...

- Surely this must depend on how you treat your clutch in general?

 

My MY99 is doing exactly the same after 8000 miles.

If you really want your dash to come out, try pulling away in 2nd gear when slightly rolling (e.g. at a junction when changing down to 1st seems to be the wrong gear )

The car was just in for service this weekend and test driven. It had "slight clutch judder".

No plans on replacing it under warranty (it it Euro). Apparently a new clutch will do the same thing...

Possibly to do with weak clamping presure... Wouldn't want to quote anyone or jump to conclusions ....

 

Forgot to mention, my clutch gets heavy in traffic too- when I was dropping the car off for service, a guy in UK car also said his did it too.
Seems UK vs Euro UK spec have more than a few things in common...

 

My clutch gets heavy too but only sometimes.MY99 with 58000 thats right 58000. I had a new clutch at 30k under warranty but still not sorted the heavy clutch thing as it never happens at the dealer. sods law!

 

My MY00 - 2800mls - has no clutch judder but a bad hesitation at 3000rpm - are we all scaring ourselves silly??? I wonder?? this is supposed to be one of the best cars in the world after all .... after reading all the faults on this BB I am now paranoid

Pete

 

Pete

I wouldn't get paranoid - I bet you can find similar things on every owners club web site. Maybe it's because we enjoy our cars that we notice things more than the 'average' driver.

What the thread shows is that this is a fairly common 'problem' which doesn't seem to be specific to any particular year or model.

By the way RichS - thanks for the vote of confidence in my driving style!

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I have an 00V UK Turbo (5k miles) and I get the 'transmission shunt' when cold, whilst changing up from first to second.

Soon goes away.

I understand this is a Scooby characteristic.

Ed

 

I had my MY99 clutch replaced under warranty at 35K miles NO quibbles at all.

Subaru UK and the dealers know about the problem (it is VERY common on 99 and 00MY cars), and will fix the problem OK; most of the time without needing prior authorisation.

The problem seems to be that the rivets on the clutch plate are very slighly too long and as the clutch wears this creates the judder. The solution is fitting a new clutch AND flywheel to a different spec. than original and this TRANSFORMS the car!!

The replacement is MUCH better and is very light and easy to use compared with the original one.

Keep on at the dealers, they know of the problem (even if they say they don't). You would have thought that they would welcome some easy warranty money wouldn't you??

Rob.

 

Yep, had my MY00 since April - 3000 miles - same clutch judder. Only happens for me for the first couple of pulls away in first when cold. Pretty noticable - gonna check it out with the dealer at 7500.

Having to drive in commuter traffic for an hour each way, I sometimes get a heavy clutch, usually when inching forward in queueing traffic. Still worth it for when I do get a bit of open road!

Andrew

 

RobMac's right. My MY99 car had its clutch replaced under warranty by the guy who owned it before me (he's a mate, y'see). He'd complained of serious judder and I showed him Autocar's long term report on their five door MY99. The dealer replaced the clutch without any hassle.
With 16000 on the clock, the problem's come back intermittantly, which is a bitch, because I REALLY hate that Scooby clutch!
Hill starts are a pig to get right and it's all too easy to get that crispy smell of toasty clutch…
I reckon I'll speak to the dealer again shortly.

 

Wow, I thought I was the only one that got clutch judder when the car was cold, on my Dutch MY00.
Common fault.

*IDRIS*

 

Chris L,

Re the clutch judder they could not really comment without having a look at the car.

They did however mention that the is a diff mod for newer cars that I will need doing under warranty. Replaces the seals - only takes about an hour.

Might be worth mentioning at your 7,500

Cheers,
Rich.

 

Thanks Rich

I going to book the car in today for the 7500 mile service, so I will let you know what they say.

Chris

 

I have both clutch judder when cold and the moving bitting point when hot ...(MY00 with 17K on it)

Told the dealer about the problem (Lancasters in Sevenoaks) and got the "doesn't appear to be a problem Sir".

This is one of several things I asked Lancasters to look at and they didn't find any problems...must think I'm stupid or something


Jeff

 

Rich,

Is the diff thing some kind of recall type work that we all need or was it a fault on yours?

Otis.

 

Otis,

His words were "you will need the diff mod" - makes it sound like a known prob that they fix when in for service (I guess mine showed the symptoms). I asked if it was dangerous (eg diff draining and seizing up) and was told that there was no chance of that happening. The only prob you will get is a tiny amount of oil/grease(?) burning on the exhaust(?) as it works its way back causing a burning smell.

I plan to get it fixed soon (didn't have time yesterday as I was in a hurry) - so will get a proper explanation to post.

Rich.

 

Ok - Just to give you an update. My car is now booked in for its 7500 mile service in a couple of weeks. Mentioned the clutch judder and explained that it happened when it was cold etc.

The reply was if its only happening on the first couple of gear changes then leave it alone. The reason for this is that they have been having problems with some of the replacement clutches that have been fitted aswell.

They have made a note on the service history and it will be reviewed at the next service (unless it gets worse, then I'll take it back in). The service guy was not aware of the diff modification that Rich mentioned.

Thanks for your replies on this thread -it is really appreciated

Chris

 

I notice this every morning now. As mentioned it goes away after about the second change.

Good advertising for Metz, it always makes me think of their "beware the Judderman my dear" animation on TV.

I don't drink it though. Maybe I should.

Robinson's shall hear of this. (I already mentioned it in passing on the 7500 service).

 

I must admit I had a clutch replacement a couple of cars ago (still Impreza) and it was never right really.

Otis.

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There is DEFINATELY a prob with the clutch in many MY99/00 models. My MY99 clutch was replaced under warranty at 8000 miles with a clutch made from supposidly 'new' clutch material. This is softer though and I have been told wont take as much abuse.

The dealer stated that this was a well known problem and that Subaru had 'no problem' replacing it under warrany. He practically talked me into replacing the clutch as I didnt want the car tampered with unless it was really necessary.

To date the clutch is a LOT better, but unfortunately at 24000 miles it is again juddering ever so slightly first thing in then morning. A quick slip of the clutch while maneouvering the car from the drive to the road usually cures it, as does the fast take off approach. Its certainly no where near as bad as it was.

I guess this is all dealer dependant, after reading of the MY99/00 brake disc cracking thread (yes mine cracked too) I noticed that a lot of peeps had their pads replaced as well as discs, all OK'd by Subaru apparently. In my case the dealer wouldnt replace the pads as 'they still had plenty of life left in them'. Never mind poor bedding in or anything though, hmmmmm.

Why dont Subaru admit that many areas of the car which are OK in Japans jampacked streets are just not up to the job in the UK. I mean I can guarantee you that ALL UK MY99/00 50p a go discs will be destroyed if you use them at speed regularly.

Car dealers, mechanics, importers and manufacturers, flog them all.



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