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Old Oct 30, 2022 | 09:36 AM
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So car is off to be built next week , lots being done and lots of bits to go on. Just a thought is will the standard boost solenoid be ok. ?
2016 wrx sti will be running mdx321t and many other supporting bits. If so any recommendations?
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Old Oct 30, 2022 | 10:30 AM
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If it was me , I would stay with the standard subaru system , run the engine in , get it mapped and see how you go , I would expect Subarus standard boost control system to work properly and more safely , at least by using subaru standard set up your ecu will know exactly what is going on fuel, boost etc wise , and allow the ecu to do accurately what it needs to do , slightly differently I’ve just had an expensive ebc removed to revert back to the standard boost system on a gtr , safety of my engine and box being the more important part , it’s now been properly mapped and is running better 👍
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Old Oct 30, 2022 | 10:37 AM
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Good info Thankyou. Makes sense if you think about it. Andy f is going to map it once built so I can ask him prior if he thinks it needs it.
I could be wrong but I’m under the impression the electronic 3 port is quicker to shut on / off and more tuneable ? I could be wrong
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Old Oct 30, 2022 | 10:51 AM
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I ran the standard 2 port on my 2015 STI with MDX321T with zero boost control issues.
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I ran the standard 2 port on my 2015 STI with MDX321T with zero boost control issues.
brilliant Thankyou. Out of interest how did you find that turbo on the car ?
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Old Oct 30, 2022 | 06:27 PM
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Is your car JDM or UK?
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Is your car JDM or UK?
it’s the uk
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OK but the JDM cars being T/S benefit from an upgraded actuator and 3 port. They all benefit from a 3 port due to the nature the way the boost control system works (and is piped up) anyone that says they don't is deluded. Yes a 2 port will work but not as efficiently as a 3 port.
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Old Oct 30, 2022 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 1509joe
OK but the JDM cars being T/S benefit from an upgraded actuator and 3 port. They all benefit from a 3 port due to the nature the way the boost control system works (and is piped up) anyone that says they don't is deluded. Yes a 2 port will work but not as efficiently as a 3 port.
This 👍🏻. 2 port will cope but you’ll get much better and more consistent boost control with a 3 port.

The turbo worked well, it’s a very responsive turbo and spools almost like stock. It’s a big step up over the standard turbo.

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Great info guys thanks. I’ll get one ordered. Any suggestions ?
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Correct me if I’m wrong 👍If the three port fails , then there’s nothing to open the waste gate and it can all go bang , which is maybe why subaru changed them , i believe classics were three port ? ?im not saying it won’t make a small difference , but is it really worth it ,if the standard 2 port works I would stick with that just for safety of my engine , are the newer age ecu’s not better at controlling the engine ? Worth speaking to your mapper and see what he says ? I’m more cautions I won’t more power out of a car but I want safe levels of power and for it to last 👍
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For what it's worth, Bob Rawle recommends a 3-port.
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Old Oct 31, 2022 | 12:42 PM
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whilst a 2port 'could' be made to work at the level required for a 321T (450+) then it accepted practice to simply use a 3port which will offer a straight forward set-up
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Originally Posted by Vxr2010
Correct me if I’m wrong 👍If the three port fails , then there’s nothing to open the waste gate and it can all go bang , which is maybe why subaru changed them , i believe classics were three port ? ?im not saying it won’t make a small difference , but is it really worth it ,if the standard 2 port works I would stick with that just for safety of my engine , are the newer age ecu’s not better at controlling the engine ? Worth speaking to your mapper and see what he says ? I’m more cautions I won’t more power out of a car but I want safe levels of power and for it to last 👍
3 port is NO (normally open) so if it fails your on actuator pressure. Only when it is activated/energised by the ecu it operates.
The 3 port setup was changed as a cost saving measure apparently.
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I’ve messaged Andy f to see what he says. I’ll also speak to the builder as when I drop it off it’s 6 wks to build !! So I’ll have time to order etc.
Ive just ordered a Perrin caik from advice from Andy and builder as the mishimoto one I have they weren’t keen on as it’s the shorter one I’m sure cost will only ho up rather than down. The whole thing is only costing about £1200 anyway. ………. That’s what the missus thinks lol
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Originally Posted by 4evascoob
I’ve messaged Andy f to see what he says. I’ll also speak to the builder as when I drop it off it’s 6 wks to build !! So I’ll have time to order etc.
Ive just ordered a Perrin caik from advice from Andy and builder as the mishimoto one I have they weren’t keen on as it’s the shorter one I’m sure cost will only ho up rather than down. The whole thing is only costing about £1200 anyway. ………. That’s what the missus thinks lol
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Originally Posted by 4evascoob
I’ve messaged Andy f to see what he says. I’ll also speak to the builder as when I drop it off it’s 6 wks to build !! So I’ll have time to order etc.
Ive just ordered a Perrin caik from advice from Andy and builder as the mishimoto one I have they weren’t keen on as it’s the shorter one I’m sure cost will only ho up rather than down. The whole thing is only costing about £1200 anyway. ………. That’s what the missus thinks lol
I have the Perrin CAI on mine and it works very well.
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Old Nov 1, 2022 | 10:30 AM
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no idea why people but M&shimoto stuff.................. simply appears to be over priced Chinesium with a good social media team.......
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Old Nov 1, 2022 | 10:49 AM
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I put one of their rads on the fsti , it was cheaper than the scooby dealer option, it looks nice , my concern buying a non subaru plastic rad is , is it any good , i tried a few plastic rads that were supposed to be good and lasted no time , the mishimoto one is still on the car 6 or 7 years later , the only issue I had was the small pipe where the red cap was , was leaking , replaced under warrant no quibbles , car takes more coolant which should help cooling , im assuming the rads being bigger are in theory more efficient ? In theory a metal one is less likely to fail and if it does is easier to repair if you are stuck versus the plastic one which can’t be repaired 👍
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we have stocked / supplied good quality OEM rads for years with no issue
"most" alloy rads under perform and are less effecient in comparison.........
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Have proved more times than enough that the standard rad is more efficient than the so called uprated 42mm crap.
Backed up by Syvecs datalogging etc.
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Old Nov 1, 2022 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by stockcar
no idea why people but M&shimoto stuff.................. simply appears to be over priced Chinesium with a good social media team.......
it was in with a load of stuff I brought ( job lot ) was probably always going to replace it as it’s the short one so will be pulling hot air in.
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I always preferred to use a decent boost controller as you can get the turbo spooling quicker on a standard ecu but if your on a aftermarket ecu just get a 3 port and let the ecu control it.
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Originally Posted by bunsofsteeeel
I always preferred to use a decent boost controller as you can get the turbo spooling quicker on a standard ecu but if your on a aftermarket ecu just get a 3 port and let the ecu control it.
Hence why the change to 3 port as they are more efficient and most if not all are 3 port unless MBC .
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Originally Posted by bunsofsteeeel
I always preferred to use a decent boost controller as you can get the turbo spooling quicker on a standard ecu but if your on a aftermarket ecu just get a 3 port and let the ecu control it.
Thumbs up on this , a normally open boost control system is inherently safer otherwise when you move to a turbo that flows more and spins up quicker you might well experience boost overrun, resulting DET
you never want this even during a tuning run so having a 3 port which also makes life a lot easier for the tuner, that then might give you a faster spool threshold.
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