has any one made close to 450 on standard engine n box
17 March 2014, 11:53 AM
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I offered my HONEST experience to the OP's initial post.
I may be a 'newbie' on here, however, I have owned and upgraded Subaru's for the past 5 1/2 years, and have over 15 years of knowledge and experience with performance vehicles.
I have no need to re-write any 'rules' as the misconception of what can do what, where and how has been derived from years of everyone's personal experiences.
From my OWN experiences, I have not had any issues running CLOSE to 400bhp with the 5 speed box, or standard internals.
I plan to have no issues with the current one either, when I can push up to 420 in the coming months.
17 March 2014, 01:36 PM
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Don't get me worng, I wouldn't expect the 5 speed to remain solid if it is launched, driven hard through gears etc with that range of power. My las car was a VERY driveable and reliable 386bhp with 5 speed, and it was perfect.
I had L/C mapped into the UK300, tried it once, and didn't see the point. Unless on sprints etc. And at that point, if you are frequently doing so, you should have the know how and means to upgrade to a PPG/Dog box, or good 6 speed setup
17 March 2014, 01:54 PM
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For my OWN personal car, it will be running a very SAFE 420 on the 5 speed, purely as this is the road I aim for with the project. It will then undertake a new engine (spec decided) with 6 speed box, syvecs ECU etc, to act as a project/demo car/daily for the company and I. 99% of the time it is driven carefully, due to the fact I have my wife and kids in the car.
Don't get me worng, I wouldn't expect the 5 speed to remain solid if it is launched, driven hard through gears etc with that range of power. My las car was a VERY driveable and reliable 386bhp with 5 speed, and it was perfect.
That goes without saying, but then, if you had sense, and the knowledge behind you, why launch it if you know what you are risking?
I had L/C mapped into the UK300, tried it once, and didn't see the point. Unless on sprints etc. And at that point, if you are frequently doing so, you should have the know how and means to upgrade to a PPG/Dog box, or good 6 speed setup
Don't get me worng, I wouldn't expect the 5 speed to remain solid if it is launched, driven hard through gears etc with that range of power. My las car was a VERY driveable and reliable 386bhp with 5 speed, and it was perfect.
That goes without saying, but then, if you had sense, and the knowledge behind you, why launch it if you know what you are risking?
I had L/C mapped into the UK300, tried it once, and didn't see the point. Unless on sprints etc. And at that point, if you are frequently doing so, you should have the know how and means to upgrade to a PPG/Dog box, or good 6 speed setup
Running something well above the limits of what it was designed to cope with and then treading on egg shells with it makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.
Would be a better bet to knock a hundred horses off it and hoon around without worrying as much about an expensive failure.
17 March 2014, 02:05 PM
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As said before, I don't drive like a granny. Most of the time my kids are in the car with me, so why would I risk their lives to drive like a tw@t?
It gets driven. And driven sensibly. Doesn't get racked or raced, but I have the power there if it's needed.
I'm not being polemical but what is the point of running 420bhp if you're going to drive it slowly out of fear for the Sword of Damocles hanging over you.
Running something well above the limits of what it was designed to cope with and then treading on egg shells with it makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.
Would be a better bet to knock a hundred horses off it and hoon around without worrying as much about an expensive failure.
Running something well above the limits of what it was designed to cope with and then treading on egg shells with it makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.
Would be a better bet to knock a hundred horses off it and hoon around without worrying as much about an expensive failure.
I have no intention of 'hooning' around, those days for me are long gone. From experience and knowledge of myself and some very reputable tuners, I am confident opf being able to run at that level, without cause for concern until our new engine is complete.
My UK300 when mapped to 386 was sitting on 94k. It made the mapping sessions no problem at all.
It's a misconception that everyone HAS to abide by what they get told.
I know it will work, and work well.
17 March 2014, 02:06 PM
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I'm not being polemical but what is the point of running 420bhp if you're going to drive it slowly out of fear for the Sword of Damocles hanging over you.
Running something well above the limits of what it was designed to cope with and then treading on egg shells with it makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.
Would be a better bet to knock a hundred horses off it and hoon around without worrying as much about an expensive failure.
Running something well above the limits of what it was designed to cope with and then treading on egg shells with it makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.
Would be a better bet to knock a hundred horses off it and hoon around without worrying as much about an expensive failure.
Believe me when you do your proper project you will understand that, as I learnt whilst doing my last car.
17 March 2014, 02:07 PM
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17 March 2014, 02:09 PM
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You're not ever running 420 though if 99% it's being used as a family car lol 
Your map may be capable of extracting those figures from your set up but what's the point if you only ever ask it to deliver half that "It's a safe 420" is such a misleading statement given what you are doing is effectively running a half power map governed by your right foot.
320 on a 752 box, using every last hp, blew 3rd gear to smithereens
Your map may be capable of extracting those figures from your set up but what's the point if you only ever ask it to deliver half that "It's a safe 420" is such a misleading statement given what you are doing is effectively running a half power map governed by your right foot. 320 on a 752 box, using every last hp, blew 3rd gear to smithereens
17 March 2014, 02:11 PM
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A focused, dedicated engine build, using the best parts available is in production, but may take some time to get it how I want it.
When we got the car, it was a bit of a mess. First was to tidy it up, have it looking how it should externally. Then titivate and enhance the handling, brakes and wheels. Interior next, while running on the engine and 5 speed.
Once everything else is complete, the engine should be built and ready to run.
17 March 2014, 02:11 PM
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However it still mistifies me why you're going for 420bhp and don't need or want it at that power.
Each to their own I guess.
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17 March 2014, 02:16 PM
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For my OWN personal car, it will be running a very SAFE 420 on the 5 speed, purely as this is the road I aim for with the project. It will then undertake a new engine (spec decided) with 6 speed box, syvecs ECU etc, to act as a project/demo car/daily for the company and I. 99% of the time it is driven carefully, due to the fact I have my wife and kids in the car.
Don't get me worng, I wouldn't expect the 5 speed to remain solid if it is launched, driven hard through gears etc with that range of power. My las car was a VERY driveable and reliable 386bhp with 5 speed, and it was perfect.
That goes without saying, but then, if you had sense, and the knowledge behind you, why launch it if you know what you are risking?
I had L/C mapped into the UK300, tried it once, and didn't see the point. Unless on sprints etc. And at that point, if you are frequently doing so, you should have the know how and means to upgrade to a PPG/Dog box, or good 6 speed setup
Don't get me worng, I wouldn't expect the 5 speed to remain solid if it is launched, driven hard through gears etc with that range of power. My las car was a VERY driveable and reliable 386bhp with 5 speed, and it was perfect.
That goes without saying, but then, if you had sense, and the knowledge behind you, why launch it if you know what you are risking?
I had L/C mapped into the UK300, tried it once, and didn't see the point. Unless on sprints etc. And at that point, if you are frequently doing so, you should have the know how and means to upgrade to a PPG/Dog box, or good 6 speed setup
17 March 2014, 02:16 PM
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You're not ever running 420 though if 99% it's being used as a family car lol Your map may be capable of extracting those figures from your set up but what's the point if you only ever ask it to deliver half that "It's a safe 420" is such a misleading statement given what you are doing is effectively running a half power map governed by your right foot.
320 on a 752 box, using every last hp, blew 3rd gear to smithereens
Your map may be capable of extracting those figures from your set up but what's the point if you only ever ask it to deliver half that "It's a safe 420" is such a misleading statement given what you are doing is effectively running a half power map governed by your right foot. 320 on a 752 box, using every last hp, blew 3rd gear to smithereens
If I am on my own, then it COULD be used, if needed (see the dictionary for definition of ****. = Brats in semi-quick, badly modified cars in Inverness, think they own everything)
If it lasts me the duration of the build, then I know the engine and box were strong enough to handle that level.
[QUOTE=BrownPantsRacing;11381567][quote=Kris@HPD;11381555]As said before, I don't drive like a granny. Most of the time my kids are in the car with me, so why would I risk their lives to drive like a tw@t?
completely agree & very sensible. You don't sound like a typical Snet newbie ****. I always drive like the Pope with my wife & kid in the car.
However it still mistifies me why you're going for 420bhp and don't need or want it at that power.
Each to their own I guess.
It's not about need. Or want. It's a target I have set, and will acheive. When the new engine goes in, it WILL be running significantly more power and torque BUT may have it's use altered to "occasional family car" and "weekend daddy's toy
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17 March 2014, 02:18 PM
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I still think mine should be fine for the duration. Hopefully.
17 March 2014, 02:22 PM
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It probably will last the duration, I ran a TY752 sti 3 box at 390bhp and it only broke 5th gear on the motorway. Rest of the gears were fine as it drove back home over a 100 miles no problem, then I moved to a TY754 P1 box which stayed on till I went forged and 6 speed.
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17 March 2014, 02:24 PM
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752 boxes are weaker than the 754's though. It will be running that as it is the goal I set for it.
If I am on my own, then it COULD be used, if needed (see the dictionary for definition of ****. = Brats in semi-quick, badly modified cars in Inverness, think they own everything)
If I am on my own, then it COULD be used, if needed (see the dictionary for definition of ****. = Brats in semi-quick, badly modified cars in Inverness, think they own everything)
it was an illustration of power utilisation though not mechanical tollerances A '420 safe map' is an oxymoron, and further undermined by your 99% statement. It's probably never seen 420 since the day it was mapped.
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17 March 2014, 02:30 PM
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I think I kind of get what Kris@HPD is alluding to. That is within the fine parameters of what HE wants from the car he expects. Obviously the spectre of failing componentry is always there (as with anyone on any car) however for his intended use the car should cope.
If you do the odd spirited drive, driving with a modicum of mechanical sympathy I don't doubt the five speeder will give reasonable service. Indeed the late Harvey Smith was running high 500 bhp on a five speeder. Andy F. was dragging with a five speeder for a while. Yes it is a lottery and these results may be exceptions to the rule BUT it has been shown to be done.
If you do the odd spirited drive, driving with a modicum of mechanical sympathy I don't doubt the five speeder will give reasonable service. Indeed the late Harvey Smith was running high 500 bhp on a five speeder. Andy F. was dragging with a five speeder for a while. Yes it is a lottery and these results may be exceptions to the rule BUT it has been shown to be done.
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17 March 2014, 02:33 PM
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This "show what we can do end product" will have zero reliability or longevity unless driven like Miss Daisy....If this is the sort of tuning you offer I dont see much scope for success.
17 March 2014, 02:35 PM
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You want to show what you can do? By bolting on a few after market parts and building a ticking time bomb when used in anger? ...anyone can do that. Sounds like a company with no idea of what works in the Subaru tuning world because all you are doing is wallpapering over the cracks.
This "show what we can do end product" will have zero reliability or longevity unless driven like Miss Daisy....If this is the sort of tuning you offer I dont see much scope for success.
This "show what we can do end product" will have zero reliability or longevity unless driven like Miss Daisy....If this is the sort of tuning you offer I dont see much scope for success.
harsh but true!
17 March 2014, 02:37 PM
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You want to show what you can do? By bolting on a few after market parts and building a ticking time bomb when used in anger? ...anyone can do that. Sounds like a company with no idea of what works in the Subaru tuning world because all you are doing is wallpapering over the cracks.
This "show what we can do end product" will have zero reliability or longevity unless driven like Miss Daisy....If this is the sort of tuning you offer I dont see much scope for success.
This "show what we can do end product" will have zero reliability or longevity unless driven like Miss Daisy....If this is the sort of tuning you offer I dont see much scope for success.
We can get 450bhp out of your wrx bruv.....for about ten minutes after you have paid
17 March 2014, 02:53 PM
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You want to show what you can do? By bolting on a few after market parts and building a ticking time bomb when used in anger? ...anyone can do that. Sounds like a company with no idea of what works in the Subaru tuning world because all you are doing is wallpapering over the cracks.
This "show what we can do end product" will have zero reliability or longevity unless driven like Miss Daisy....If this is the sort of tuning you offer I dont see much scope for success.
This "show what we can do end product" will have zero reliability or longevity unless driven like Miss Daisy....If this is the sort of tuning you offer I dont see much scope for success.
With all due respect, perhaps you should keep your own personal thoughts to yourself. My company is very reliable, honest and trustworthy, and have NEVER had any issues with our own car, or any customers we have supplied for.
This kind of mindless comments can destroy someones livelihood, to which is unacceptable.
On the bandwagon I see.
My initial post was to offer the OP my own personal experience.
In all honesty, some of you need to stop and think before jumping up each others ars*s and following suit.
I know I can run that level safely, and reliably with no issues. I know from previous comments above, well know tuners ran more than that of 5 speed boxes.
So why the need to bring it down to that level?
My company have been growing our positive reputation for excellence over the past few months since we started, and always aim to provide the best possible service and parts to our customers.
I for one would appreciate that the NEGATIVE comments would stop. I know from experience what I have done and acheived, and what will be acheived throughout the year too.
17 March 2014, 02:57 PM
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Firstly, don't EVER bring down a company which I have worked my fingers to the bone to raise from nothing. I have PLENTY of experience. It's not bolting on aftermarket parts etc.
With all due respect, perhaps you should keep your own personal thoughts to yourself. My company is very reliable, honest and trustworthy, and have NEVER had any issues with our own car, or any customers we have supplied for.
This kind of mindless comments can destroy someones livelihood, to which is unacceptable.
On the bandwagon I see.
Firstly, don't for one minute bring my name or company into disrepute, or offer slanderous comments. I will not tolerate it.
My initial post was to offer the OP my own personal experience.
In all honesty, some of you need to stop and think before jumping up each others ars*s and following suit.
I know I can run that level safely, and reliably with no issues. I know from previous comments above, well know tuners ran more than that of 5 speed boxes.
So why the need to bring it down to that level?
My company have been growing our positive reputation for excellence over the past few months since we started, and always aim to provide the best possible service and parts to our customers.
I for one would appreciate that the NEGATIVE comments would stop. I know from experience what I have done and acheived, and what will be acheived throughout the year too.
With all due respect, perhaps you should keep your own personal thoughts to yourself. My company is very reliable, honest and trustworthy, and have NEVER had any issues with our own car, or any customers we have supplied for.
This kind of mindless comments can destroy someones livelihood, to which is unacceptable.
On the bandwagon I see.
Firstly, don't for one minute bring my name or company into disrepute, or offer slanderous comments. I will not tolerate it.
My initial post was to offer the OP my own personal experience.
In all honesty, some of you need to stop and think before jumping up each others ars*s and following suit.
I know I can run that level safely, and reliably with no issues. I know from previous comments above, well know tuners ran more than that of 5 speed boxes.
So why the need to bring it down to that level?
My company have been growing our positive reputation for excellence over the past few months since we started, and always aim to provide the best possible service and parts to our customers.
I for one would appreciate that the NEGATIVE comments would stop. I know from experience what I have done and acheived, and what will be acheived throughout the year too.
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Firstly, don't EVER bring down a company which I have worked my fingers to the bone to raise from nothing. I have PLENTY of experience. It's not bolting on aftermarket parts etc.
With all due respect, perhaps you should keep your own personal thoughts to yourself. My company is very reliable, honest and trustworthy, and have NEVER had any issues with our own car, or any customers we have supplied for.
This kind of mindless comments can destroy someones livelihood, to which is unacceptable.
On the bandwagon I see.
Firstly, don't for one minute bring my name or company into disrepute, or offer slanderous comments. I will not tolerate it.
My initial post was to offer the OP my own personal experience.
In all honesty, some of you need to stop and think before jumping up each others ars*s and following suit.
I know I can run that level safely, and reliably with no issues. I know from previous comments above, well know tuners ran more than that of 5 speed boxes.
So why the need to bring it down to that level?
My company have been growing our positive reputation for excellence over the past few months since we started, and always aim to provide the best possible service and parts to our customers.
I for one would appreciate that the NEGATIVE comments would stop. I know from experience what I have done and achieved, and what will be acheived throughout the year too.
With all due respect, perhaps you should keep your own personal thoughts to yourself. My company is very reliable, honest and trustworthy, and have NEVER had any issues with our own car, or any customers we have supplied for.
This kind of mindless comments can destroy someones livelihood, to which is unacceptable.
On the bandwagon I see.
Firstly, don't for one minute bring my name or company into disrepute, or offer slanderous comments. I will not tolerate it.
My initial post was to offer the OP my own personal experience.
In all honesty, some of you need to stop and think before jumping up each others ars*s and following suit.
I know I can run that level safely, and reliably with no issues. I know from previous comments above, well know tuners ran more than that of 5 speed boxes.
So why the need to bring it down to that level?
My company have been growing our positive reputation for excellence over the past few months since we started, and always aim to provide the best possible service and parts to our customers.
I for one would appreciate that the NEGATIVE comments would stop. I know from experience what I have done and achieved, and what will be acheived throughout the year too.
I will notify the webmaster Stu, who will be in touch shortly.
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