has any one made close to 450 on standard engine n box
16 March 2014, 11:37 AM
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That is one off the stupidist quote ive ever heard. Old evos volvos fiesta rst old audi's skylines CIVICS etc etc
Theres a lot of older cars out there thats most likly had more spent on the than what you paid for ur car. Its a passion. Hobby. Some thing You built... age shud not ever be a factor
Theres a lot of older cars out there thats most likly had more spent on the than what you paid for ur car. Its a passion. Hobby. Some thing You built... age shud not ever be a factor
You've spent well on excess of the value of your car on mods when it would have been more sensible to spend more buying a car with a stronger engine for starters, or when tuning have a plan as to what to do.
Two of the very best tuned car I've seen on here were WRXs, when you go beyond a certain point it makes no difference what you go for.
But when aiming for c.450bhp it makes more sense to buy a newage STi to start off with, the internals are known to take that and you have less work to do to the suspension and brakes. I think you're pushing that WRX hard enough as it is, time will tell I guess.
16 March 2014, 03:05 PM
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Box wise there's a tuner near us who states 2 cars of his ran 400/500bhp on a standard 5 speed. I'm not sure what the highest figure is power wise for a WRX is before it went bang due to power alone. I can imagine the more power you want the more chance of failure due to bad aftermarket parts, fitting, maintenance or mapping.
What would make it go bang? Too much pressure for the pistons/crank or oil starvation?
TBH after I got told my engine would last less than 12 months I did everything I could to blow it, and the poor sod is still ticking over 5 years later. I just guessed I could get another short motor fitted for just £1000-£1500. Peanuts at the time for me.
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16 March 2014, 03:47 PM
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16 March 2014, 05:43 PM
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Box wise it doesn't matter how much power you have the car can still be driven...What you need to ask yourself is can you drive it like you want to without it breaking, If you want to tootle about it will be fine but if you want to launch it and bang it through the gears which I'm guessing you are it's gonna be waiting to explode but I doubt you will know when until it happens, As with most of the cars that have claimed 4-500 bhp on a 5-speed, Most of them have broken eventually.
Engine wise is a different matter, Is it a 2.0 or 2.5 the latter has problems even with the stock map and turbo on, Most people just upgrade to an Sti equivalent turbo like you have, If it's gonna cost £1500 to fix it when it breaks why not just get some forged pistons and rods a new set of bearings and head gaskets before it breaks and it's gonna cost roughly the same but you won't be waiting for any problems or looking for people to blame when they say 4-500 bhp is fine on standard WRX internals and yours is in bits at the side of the road
Engine wise is a different matter, Is it a 2.0 or 2.5 the latter has problems even with the stock map and turbo on, Most people just upgrade to an Sti equivalent turbo like you have, If it's gonna cost £1500 to fix it when it breaks why not just get some forged pistons and rods a new set of bearings and head gaskets before it breaks and it's gonna cost roughly the same but you won't be waiting for any problems or looking for people to blame when they say 4-500 bhp is fine on standard WRX internals and yours is in bits at the side of the road
16 March 2014, 05:52 PM
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I love how all the STI owners slag the WRX Engine/Gearbox max power handling capabilities off then can't give reference.
Box wise there's a tuner near us who states 2 cars of his ran 400/500bhp on a standard 5 speed. I'm not sure what the highest figure is power wise for a WRX is before it went bang due to power alone. I can imagine the more power you want the more chance of failure due to bad aftermarket parts, fitting, maintenance or mapping.
What would make it go bang? Too much pressure for the pistons/crank or oil starvation?
TBH after I got told my engine would last less than 12 months I did everything I could to blow it, and the poor sod is still ticking over 5 years later. I just guessed I could get another short motor fitted for just £1000-£1500. Peanuts at the time for me.
Box wise there's a tuner near us who states 2 cars of his ran 400/500bhp on a standard 5 speed. I'm not sure what the highest figure is power wise for a WRX is before it went bang due to power alone. I can imagine the more power you want the more chance of failure due to bad aftermarket parts, fitting, maintenance or mapping.
What would make it go bang? Too much pressure for the pistons/crank or oil starvation?
TBH after I got told my engine would last less than 12 months I did everything I could to blow it, and the poor sod is still ticking over 5 years later. I just guessed I could get another short motor fitted for just £1000-£1500. Peanuts at the time for me.
16 March 2014, 06:01 PM
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Its 2 litre. And the plan is to forge it if it breaks while I have it. No point fixing something till its broke I say . A do drive hard on country roads rtc but always heel toe and keep as much load of box and engine when shifting up or down and to be honest I dont think I can run that power on those roads. To much power, lower boost at 1 bar is more then enough.
I never even use 1st gear for boost! 2nd up the box and never launch it as I know that destroys boxs
I never even use 1st gear for boost! 2nd up the box and never launch it as I know that destroys boxs
16 March 2014, 07:03 PM
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Would love to see what any of the regular engine builders make of a stock 2.0 WRX engine on a stock box running near 400/400. I think you will struggle to find anyone who would say it was safe.
16 March 2014, 07:26 PM
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Andy forrest said mine was fine.? He actually said if I ran a front mount I could of got a little more out of it.
I know everything goes bang eventually
I know everything goes bang eventually
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16 March 2014, 07:39 PM
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The WRX engine and box will take the numbers being talked about in this thread but try and use those numbers and see what happens!
There is a massive difference between a couple of pulls on a dyno to get a number you can tell your grandkids about or impress your friends at work to actually putting your foot knowing it wont blow the welds on your intake
It really is this simple.....If someone just wants to park their **** in an Impreza's driving seat then a WRX will more than suffice, it gets you into an entry level Japanese road going rally car( so to speak) but if that same person wants to start tinkering with what is already an awesome car straight out the box then buying an STI is a no brainer!........Starting with a WRX is financial suicide unless being taken beyond the realms of a road car.
............obviously im talking 2.0 Newage here not Classic.
At the end of the day advice on this forum is free and everyone has an opinion but if i was a newbie to this forum the advice i would be taking is from people who actually know....In that i mean people who have owned both models, have knowledge of both models, who have modified both models and not people who just regurgitate stuff they have read.
Simples..
Peace out.
There is a massive difference between a couple of pulls on a dyno to get a number you can tell your grandkids about or impress your friends at work to actually putting your foot knowing it wont blow the welds on your intake
It really is this simple.....If someone just wants to park their **** in an Impreza's driving seat then a WRX will more than suffice, it gets you into an entry level Japanese road going rally car( so to speak) but if that same person wants to start tinkering with what is already an awesome car straight out the box then buying an STI is a no brainer!........Starting with a WRX is financial suicide unless being taken beyond the realms of a road car.
............obviously im talking 2.0 Newage here not Classic.
At the end of the day advice on this forum is free and everyone has an opinion but if i was a newbie to this forum the advice i would be taking is from people who actually know....In that i mean people who have owned both models, have knowledge of both models, who have modified both models and not people who just regurgitate stuff they have read.
Simples..
Peace out.
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16 March 2014, 07:45 PM
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Hi wasnt dynod on a roller. It was done on road by andy .3 runs Same road same gear same revs . So I know its safe as rollers give false readings as theres no resistance
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16 March 2014, 10:24 PM
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I owned a uk300 last year ( a glorified Wrx)
It was only running 350 bhp with matching torque (2.5bottim end conversion)
My car was driven like a granny nor was it launched once and I got through 3 gearboxes (1 of which was a recon box and not a 'dodgy' 2nd hand ' yeah it's only done '30k' box)
After being told on here and by various other people it s not the gee gees that kill it it's the torque.
This year I have a v5 sti import fingers crossed this fairs better.
My 2 p worth would be stay as u are or max it out but keep yr cam recording when it goes :-) booooom
It was only running 350 bhp with matching torque (2.5bottim end conversion)
My car was driven like a granny nor was it launched once and I got through 3 gearboxes (1 of which was a recon box and not a 'dodgy' 2nd hand ' yeah it's only done '30k' box)
After being told on here and by various other people it s not the gee gees that kill it it's the torque.
This year I have a v5 sti import fingers crossed this fairs better.
My 2 p worth would be stay as u are or max it out but keep yr cam recording when it goes :-) booooom
16 March 2014, 11:13 PM
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Nizmo I know who your on about - has a black hawk with white wheels? Boy talks utter ****. Shame because its a nice looking car.
And Ricey if its not been rolling roaded how do you know its running 380 bhp just now then?
And Ricey if its not been rolling roaded how do you know its running 380 bhp just now then?
16 March 2014, 11:31 PM
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Andy forest has the software to calculate the horse power nd torque. Done 3 runs on same flat road same direction same gear and revs each time and they all made with in 6-7hp difference. Problem with rollers there no elements to contend with and bad if your running a tmic
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16 March 2014, 11:46 PM
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I've calculated that my car has 500 bhp because counting "one potato, two potato etc" all the way to 100mph gets to eight potatoes.
On a private road of course.
On a private road of course.
17 March 2014, 12:00 AM
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I have tried it out on my previous rides too. My Clio Cup had 276bhp and my Ford Focus 1.8 was throwing out an unbelievable 157.4bhp. And that had a cylinder head failure too.
17 March 2014, 12:03 AM
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I am very offended, my potato method works very well. I watch Top Gear on Dave a lot and subscribe to Evo magazine.
I have tried it out on my previous rides too. My Clio Cup had 276bhp and my Ford Focus 1.8 was throwing out an unbelievable 157.4bhp. And that had a cylinder head failure too.
I have tried it out on my previous rides too. My Clio Cup had 276bhp and my Ford Focus 1.8 was throwing out an unbelievable 157.4bhp. And that had a cylinder head failure too.
on a private road of course ..