1% is an insult
14 March 2014, 07:12 PM
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Tax Free Cars are an entitlement under the Status of Forces Act in Europe and is open to all soldiers or UK based civilians living in a NATO country including nurses, teachers and Civil Servants employed by the MOD or F&C Depts. The same entitlement is also for any NATO nation soldier deployed to the UK.
The Motor Mileage Allowance is now not worth claiming.
The privilege of promotion comes with having to be a member of a Mess, Sgt's, Cpl's or Officer's as part of Queens Regulations. For the privilege you get to pay a fee even when you don't attend.
Great eh!
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14 March 2014, 07:14 PM
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It does make me laugh when people mention tube drivers on £65k, that's going to be a very small percentage (if it's true at all) and if it is indeed true they are probably working every hour God sends to earn it.
Good luck to them, it's a crappy job at times and they are stuck in a black tunnel for most of their lives.
Good luck to them, it's a crappy job at times and they are stuck in a black tunnel for most of their lives.
14 March 2014, 07:26 PM
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If people don't like the 1% perhaps they best use their right to look for another job.
If people don't like what they get paid vs someone else in another profession, they best use their right to look for another job.
If people spent more time doing something about their "gripes" instead of bitching about them, they wouldn't have much to be bitching about.
I work for the public sector before anyone asks!
If people don't like what they get paid vs someone else in another profession, they best use their right to look for another job.
If people spent more time doing something about their "gripes" instead of bitching about them, they wouldn't have much to be bitching about.
I work for the public sector before anyone asks!
14 March 2014, 09:06 PM
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It's no different really from a private sector company "making money" from a public sector contract. It's not generating wealth as such it's merely robbing Peter to pay Paul.
15 March 2014, 01:48 AM
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If people don't like the 1% perhaps they best use their right to look for another job.
If people don't like what they get paid vs someone else in another profession, they best use their right to look for another job.
If people spent more time doing something about their "gripes" instead of bitching about them, they wouldn't have much to be bitching about.
I work for the public sector before anyone asks!
If people don't like what they get paid vs someone else in another profession, they best use their right to look for another job.
If people spent more time doing something about their "gripes" instead of bitching about them, they wouldn't have much to be bitching about.
I work for the public sector before anyone asks!
15 March 2014, 07:43 AM
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If people don't like the 1% perhaps they best use their right to look for another job.
If people don't like what they get paid vs someone else in another profession, they best use their right to look for another job.
If people spent more time doing something about their "gripes" instead of bitching about them, they wouldn't have much to be bitching about.
I work for the public sector before anyone asks!
If people don't like what they get paid vs someone else in another profession, they best use their right to look for another job.
If people spent more time doing something about their "gripes" instead of bitching about them, they wouldn't have much to be bitching about.
I work for the public sector before anyone asks!
Now that sounds like a really clever idea!
So let's just say that all the senior doctors did exactly that. So what exactly do you think would happen when you were run over by a car, your wife went into premature labour, your dad had a heart attack, your child was diagnosed with a brain tumour etc etc?
And how much of your tax money would it cost to train a new cohort of specialists?
Btw, I'm not really moaning as I think I'm paid reasonably well. And to be honest in my sort of job money has never been the prime motivator.
However a pay freeze (effectively a pay cut) over the last five years is getting a bit annoying.
15 March 2014, 08:15 AM
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The boy got out of the nhs When he could
The training he says is still the bet in the world though
When he worked for the nhs he did mixture of days / nights over 36 hours and was lucky if he got a five minute break for a cup of tea or to get to the toilet l
He used to spend 2/3 hours a shift writing a report which then had to go to a typist which would spend a hour trying to work out his writing ,then type it out then the boy had to check the accuracy before sighing it off
Half the time it was wrong .
He wanted to be a nurse not check Admin staff errors
He got paid 24k after five years training
He saw the light went to Australia
3 @12 hour day shifts only and has to leave the ward for an hour for a brake in the sunshine by law
The Aussie NHS is slightly behind uk NHS in a few ways ,that's why they want uk trained To help them and he loves his four rest days sitting kin the beach
Pay about £60k uk pounds and goes up 5/6 % per annum
He is not comeing back to work in the uk
They need to sack all the middle management pen pushers in the uk and gave something back to the staff
I've spent a bit of time on hospital and always witnessed staff who love the job but are bitter to management policy's and they see so much inefficiency in the NhS
The training he says is still the bet in the world though
When he worked for the nhs he did mixture of days / nights over 36 hours and was lucky if he got a five minute break for a cup of tea or to get to the toilet l
He used to spend 2/3 hours a shift writing a report which then had to go to a typist which would spend a hour trying to work out his writing ,then type it out then the boy had to check the accuracy before sighing it off
Half the time it was wrong .
He wanted to be a nurse not check Admin staff errors
He got paid 24k after five years training
He saw the light went to Australia
3 @12 hour day shifts only and has to leave the ward for an hour for a brake in the sunshine by law
The Aussie NHS is slightly behind uk NHS in a few ways ,that's why they want uk trained To help them and he loves his four rest days sitting kin the beach
Pay about £60k uk pounds and goes up 5/6 % per annum
He is not comeing back to work in the uk
They need to sack all the middle management pen pushers in the uk and gave something back to the staff
I've spent a bit of time on hospital and always witnessed staff who love the job but are bitter to management policy's and they see so much inefficiency in the NhS
15 March 2014, 08:42 AM
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My daughter, a student nurse is in Australia now on a 4 week placement partially funded by the NHS, the rest by me 
, she was also given a £500 cash bursary to help with expenses. Although I think it's a fantastic opportunity for her you do have to wonder why these students need to go off to faraway lands at great expense. Some of the girls have gone to South America, Africa etcon what is basically a jolly.
, she was also given a £500 cash bursary to help with expenses. Although I think it's a fantastic opportunity for her you do have to wonder why these students need to go off to faraway lands at great expense. Some of the girls have gone to South America, Africa etcon what is basically a jolly.
15 March 2014, 10:00 AM
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My daughter, a student nurse is in Australia now on a 4 week placement partially funded by the NHS, the rest by me , she was also given a £500 cash bursary to help with expenses. Although I think it's a fantastic opportunity for her you do have to wonder why these students need to go off to faraway lands at great expense. Some of the girls have gone to South America, Africa etcon what is basically a jolly.
, she was also given a £500 cash bursary to help with expenses. Although I think it's a fantastic opportunity for her you do have to wonder why these students need to go off to faraway lands at great expense. Some of the girls have gone to South America, Africa etcon what is basically a jolly.I've never really heard of student nurses in England going on these sort of things.
Perhaps what you describe explains why NHS Wales (run by Labour controlled Welsh assembly) is a basket case.
15 March 2014, 10:49 AM
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similar to police - we have had loads going over to Australia and New Zealand for more pay and a better life style. Always state that "if it doesn't workout i'll come back" - strange that none have though
15 March 2014, 11:51 AM
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My daughter, a student nurse is in Australia now on a 4 week placement partially funded by the NHS, the rest by me , she was also given a £500 cash bursary to help with expenses. Although I think it's a fantastic opportunity for her you do have to wonder why these students need to go off to faraway lands at great expense. Some of the girls have gone to South America, Africa etcon what is basically a jolly.
, she was also given a £500 cash bursary to help with expenses. Although I think it's a fantastic opportunity for her you do have to wonder why these students need to go off to faraway lands at great expense. Some of the girls have gone to South America, Africa etcon what is basically a jolly.dl
15 March 2014, 12:02 PM
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You can become an Regular Officer whether you’ve been to university or not. You’ll earn a salary while you train of £24,971 and when you are commissioned as a Second Lieutenant this will rise to £30,014. If you’re still serving in the Army after five years you could be earning at least £38,463 as a Captain
15 March 2014, 12:33 PM
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You can become an Regular Officer whether you’ve been to university or not. You’ll earn a salary while you train of £24,971 and when you are commissioned as a Second Lieutenant this will rise to £30,014. If you’re still serving in the Army after five years you could be earning at least £38,463 as a Captain
You can become an Regular Officer whether you’ve been to university or not. You’ll earn a salary while you train of £24,971 and when you are commissioned as a Second Lieutenant this will rise to £30,014. If you’re still serving in the Army after five years you could be earning at least £38,463 as a Captain
The Army website quotes all the good stuff.
15 March 2014, 01:57 PM
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David, the figures I quoted are from the new MOD pay scale s as at 01 Apr 14. You are quoting trained rates before any deductions. If you have not been to university your pay is less and you have to gain degree quals to progress.
The Army website quotes all the good stuff.
The Army website quotes all the good stuff.
I was just looking for a rough comparison for trained workers. And of course, nurses don't get killed or seriously injured (well not usually
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Saying that my wifes treatment for cancer was superb though we did have to pay for a scan privately before her op which was annoying, but we were lucky we could afford it.
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15 March 2014, 09:30 PM
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If people don't like what they get paid vs someone else in another profession, they best use their right to look for another job.
If people spent more time doing something about their "gripes" instead of bitching about them, they wouldn't have much to be bitching about.
I work for the public sector before anyone asks!
If people spent more time doing something about their "gripes" instead of bitching about them, they wouldn't have much to be bitching about.
I work for the public sector before anyone asks!
You're wasting your breath mate. I've said this before (I wholeheartedly agree with you) and got either silence or further b1tching
16 March 2014, 10:27 AM
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He said the out of work lifestyle was so good he couldve put up with all the crap at work
Lots go to Canada too
16 March 2014, 05:33 PM
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IMHO anyway. Most nurses work really hard in a stressful environment going the extra mile for their patients.
It costs around £200m. Isn't that what the NHS wasted on useless IT systems?
Sack the lousy nurses and give the others a decent income. In broad terms they start on about half of a tube driver's pay and all they have to do is stay awake and press a button
My daughter works in the NHS and works her **** off with many extra hours and very little support and is paid peanuts.
Reminds me of that 37 pence that Brown or someone gave to pensioners some years back.
Disgusted of SN.
It costs around £200m. Isn't that what the NHS wasted on useless IT systems?
Sack the lousy nurses and give the others a decent income. In broad terms they start on about half of a tube driver's pay and all they have to do is stay awake and press a button
My daughter works in the NHS and works her **** off with many extra hours and very little support and is paid peanuts.
Reminds me of that 37 pence that Brown or someone gave to pensioners some years back.
Disgusted of SN.
My neice is a newly qualified nurse, who works really hard. She told me the other day, they were short staffed and she had to do 12 hours with hardly any breaks. I don't know her salary though.
On the other hand, i know people in the private sector who do 12 hour shifts, and when its busy, have no breaks. 18k a year and no pension or sick pay.
16 March 2014, 07:14 PM
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16 March 2014, 10:50 PM
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This 1% is all a **** and bull story.
Most will get annual increments, most get (and have done for ever) TWO pay rises per year.
So, in reality they get around 4% .....
If it's so bad, why are there so many people wanting the jobs complained about?
Take the Firefighters ....... 50 applicants for every vacancy!!
Most will get annual increments, most get (and have done for ever) TWO pay rises per year.
So, in reality they get around 4% .....
If it's so bad, why are there so many people wanting the jobs complained about?
Take the Firefighters ....... 50 applicants for every vacancy!!